Accessibility is a criteria for all websites. Nothing about GNU restricts anyone's ability to create an accessibility site which cannot always be said of proprietary software and SaaSS. In fact, GNU is about software for "any purpose" where EULAs are about restricting purposes.
Think of it this way. The ADA doesn't write safety guidelines for automobile tires yet no one blames them when unsafe tires cause accidents. On Oct 22, 2015 9:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send libreplanet-discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of libreplanet-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free > software. (Mike Gerwitz) > 2. Re: The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free > software. (Alexander Berntsen) > 3. Re: The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free > software. (Aaron Wolf) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:21:06 -0400 > From: Mike Gerwitz <[email protected]> > To: Alexander Berntsen <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria > will only harm free software. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:09:21 +0200, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > Some are just stupid, like not allowing the site to recommend SaaSS, > > when the sites themselves are in fact SaaSS. > > > > Some are trying to push unrelated FSF politics -- like "you need to > > say GNU/Linux when we think you might be talking about a GNU+Linux > > system, not just Linux". To make that one even worse, it's actually > > considered *more important* than *accessibility for the handicapped* > > and *anonymity*. Are you fucking serious, GNU? > > The criteria are designed for hosting GNU projects. We hope that the > criteria will also be useful to others, but that isn't the > purpose---they are designed to ensure that hosts for GNU projects > follow, at least to some degree, the GNU philosophy. > > GNU and the FSF stand against SaaSS. We insist on speaking of both GNU > and Linux when referring to the GNU operating system. If you look at > our maintainers guide[0], you will find that these criteria are > consistent, where possible, with its requirements. Many of the > repository criteria naturally are aligned with the GNU and the FSF's > position on JavaScript.[1] > > > If I'm supposed to take the criteria seriously, they need to address > > the actual issue at hand. To give a parallel, if FSF is going to start > > pushing that awful non-free license they use for documentation and > > writings with the same strength as they work for free software > > (ironic, isn't it), I -- and likely several others -- will cease our > > donating quick as. > > > > > > As it stands now, the criteria are a good start, but worthless. > > I encourage you to make constructive suggestions at > [email protected]. > > > [0]: https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/ > [1]: https://fsf.org/campaigns/freejs > > -- > Mike Gerwitz > Free Software Hacker | GNU Maintainer > http://mikegerwitz.com > FSF Member #5804 | GPG Key ID: 0x8EE30EAB > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 818 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20151021/8570e740/attachment.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:56:26 +0200 > From: Alexander Berntsen <[email protected]> > To: Mike Gerwitz <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria > will only harm free software. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 22/10/15 03:21, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > > GNU and the FSF stand against SaaSS. > Saying that you are against SaaSS doesn't make any sense when you > *develop SaaSS*, and are making ethical criteria for *using SaaSS*. > > And anyway, being "against SaaSS" is an inherently backwards way of > going about it. SaaSS can liberate and empower users, which should be > the main goal of FSF. Not everyone is a rich American developer who > can order free high-quality hardware. If the FSF is against SaaSS they > are effectively against e.g. poor people, and I don't think they mean > to be. > - -- > Alexander > [email protected] > https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWKKS5AAoJENQqWdRUGk8Bdz4QAOTWqjylZdqnAhP/7Rm6L+2f > Fv2DIeSsbVR5KSpJzWEUU6o6ljcXCZFCYWzaRTQPmsBEebTjGdi4AJuqXsb2o4Ty > tZPS/jwVIIK99gZiYMi962NyoW1uhPelzZOyB+Yztpf8iLWgHdCOfaqxTDXCA8R+ > o0CYTdtmlYIsncKca1O5HuU0vVGNXnDpoy7cYjlv+UKyryR7CprLu17GIM/n7Ynf > 4FnvjlA0UOEM/+sJXM8wwlpOAjpfdjUaEa3QJ+MzOpUk4kUaALLgCqPyeCZg98Pz > rTSkcn90j/8eJJJu1pK6Hc1biMw5uve0gtCqbKNuUlvJlXDnD5ulD7tMwksoGpF9 > zeKM9mkCDroC03pJ0eFAFW3uAj2tRfG5SVQ0p0Ii/lLd2izJOaudcFlz0VjC1oQw > 6aOIHcpASdVdiMz8xyV62oNMoeMy8lz7O3Ei8aH3BUbD0AUDdMp+w8UFevQOU7Lp > DLDz4zbK7kvzf1rOvcEwAQNADA3u51hH+h5weUTMNT+htd63Yv2zh2m39cBjSUYm > d0nIJjQbObPnNNYnL7LlwNLWyMxVdewVNEjNKVLJXlk+gsflQBncd9s6lg/KRMuE > XuJabXjjn/Qgo2En0Ph9NOzVyk9CqlkRZVUPVQYR+cvC38raCs3wlsE+6Vlhoevo > /ilqXorbAR9pbZX3LeZp > =SqS2 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:27:24 -0700 > From: Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria > will only harm free software. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On 10/22/2015 01:56 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > On 22/10/15 03:21, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > >> GNU and the FSF stand against SaaSS. > > Saying that you are against SaaSS doesn't make any sense when you > > *develop SaaSS*, and are making ethical criteria for *using SaaSS*. > > > > And anyway, being "against SaaSS" is an inherently backwards way of > > going about it. SaaSS can liberate and empower users, which should be > > the main goal of FSF. Not everyone is a rich American developer who > > can order free high-quality hardware. If the FSF is against SaaSS they > > are effectively against e.g. poor people, and I don't think they mean > > to be. > > > > Alex, that argument is simply unreasonable. That's comparable to > Facebook saying "people who oppose our Internet.org closed, non-neutral, > censored system are against poor people" or Microsoft saying "people who > oppose our no-charge licensing of Windows and Microsoft Office to these > schools are against poor people" or even "people who oppose sourcing > Pizza Hut for subsidized school lunches are against poor people". > > The FSF defines SaaSS specifically as services that are run over a > network specifically where they could be run on local machines > effectively enough. This is not weird edge cases where someone gets > access to a super computer for some advanced scientific analysis. The > vast majority of these cases do not require any sort of high-qualiy, > latest, expensive hardware. > > Public hosting of code in a repository is not SaaSS, as it isn't your > own private computing done instead on someone else's server. It's about > public serving of data. The whole point here is that the FSF recognizes > that people can't all easily run their own servers and services, even > though that might be ideal. > > -- > Aaron Wolf > co-founder, Snowdrift.coop > music teacher, wolftune.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 836 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: < > http://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20151022/52b42384/attachment.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > > > End of libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15 > *************************************************** >
