On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Daniel Pocock <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 12/01/17 15:22, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Fabián Rodríguez >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 12/01/17 03:12 AM, Catonano wrote: >>>> Today, january 12, only 454 pledges have been made to the Talos proect >>>> crowdunding campaign page. >>>> >>>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation >>>> >>>> This is not just a missed target. This is something more, as if there >>>> was a reection of the proect. >>>> >>>> The freedom sensble community is small, yes, but not this small. >>>> >>>> What's going on ? >>>> >>> >>> I'll share my impressions since you asked: >>> >>> * Give $10 or $250 - no options in-between >>> * No T-shirts, no stickers >>> * 6 months shared SSH-access for 250$? >>> * Absurd amount of information to digest in every update (even for me) >>> >>> Setting up a smaller goal, usable rewards and easier-to-digest updates >>> would have helped a lot. Now this only looks like another failed >>> out-of-touch-with-reality project. >>> >>> As it is, I didn't even contribute $10 as I had the distinct impression >>> the project would fail. How can I ever advocate this? >> >> You were convinced they would fail if they got funding? Or convinced >> they would fail to get their desired funding? >> >>> >>> I have given / donated generously to many Free software projects and >>> organizations (including the FSF) and have often convinced others to do >>> so (even refering new people to join >>> http://www.fsf.org/associate/referrers/referrerlist ) but honestly Talos >>> was outside of anything I could refer, in any way. >> >> I really wanted Talos to succeed, but I think the core issue is the >> pieces were just too expensive $3700 just for a mainboard not >> including the CPU. >> > > They probably need to try and offer similar pricing to other high-end > workstations such as HP Z series. > > > >> They raised over twice as the EOMA68 project which was also freedom >> respecting. (https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop). >> >> $3.7 million was just too big of a target. >> > > > Not necessarily - to raise significant sums like that, projects may need > to plan some pitches to larger institutions and not simply rely on > anonymous private donors to spontaneously materialize.
I guess that's true. I wonder if part of the problem is the market for high performance workstations like the HP Z you mentioned doesn't really overlap with the highly privacy conscious, freedom/privacy concerned crowd. > > Regards, > > Daniel >
