*covers ears starts yelling lalala while world burns -- Freesoftware is Agorism for people who are good at computer.
On September 15, 2019 3:37:23 PM GMT-05:00, Betsy Garrett <betsy.luebbe.garr...@gmail.com> wrote: >I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion >has >run its course. > >On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM TechLibre <ntho...@techlibre.net> >wrote: > >> My 17 year old can't go to the US Virgin Islands with out my consent >and >> neither did any of these young ladies without parental/state actor's >help. >> >> The consent issue and very poor to criminal parenting are >intertwined. >> >> In a society where Billy Ray helps Hanna Montana become Miley, I >guess we >> have to unravel that on an FSF thread by blaming Stallman for raising >> exactly that issue. >> >> I have teenagers with 2 passports. I live in a country with 1 million >> brand new Venezuelan refugees. >> >> Trust me, the consent and law 'popular opinions' are the problem, >zero >> kids/girls/women will be pulled off the stroll in Lima Peru by this >mailing >> list. >> >> The same applies in Cambridge, Mass. >> >> The tragedy is, there's enough money and brain power on this list to >> change hundreds of individual lives beyond FreeSoftware, but no >keyboards >> would be involved and you'd most certainly end up around people who >make >> you uncomfortable. >> >> I'm going to hold my record of fixing zero of Stallman's bugs, and >> Epstein's look all done. >> >> There's this one bug though...where a young woman might think getting >on a >> plane with a rich guy for the weekend is a good idea and her best >option to >> make money. >> >> Damn I hate that bug. >> -- >> Freesoftware is Agorism for people who are good at computer. >> >> On September 15, 2019 2:40:03 PM GMT-05:00, MARY-ANNE WOLF < >> mgw...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >Let me make sure that I understand the distinction that is being >> >claimed here. A young lady who is in fact young enough to be below >the >> >age of giving sexual consent "presents herself as being willing" to >> >Epstein, an adult man aged over 21. This happens with multiple >> >underage girls on more than one occasion. >> > >> >So if Epstein has sex with each underage girl after she "presents >> >herself as being willing", are you arguing that statutory rape has >not >> >occured? If so, on what grounds? >> > >> >If it were one girl, we could debate whether Epstein believed that >the >> >young lady was older than was the case. If we are talking about >> >multiple underage girls, using an airplane named "The Lolita >Express" >> >that becomes much less plausible. I think we can assume he knew how >> >young they were. >> > >> >So if a girl too young to give sexual consent tries to do so, and an >> >adult male repeatedly acts as if he believes that she is old enough >to >> >give consent, does her action get him off the hook? I do not think >so. >> >And if this happens with girl after girl after girl after girl? >> >Really? >> > >> >If you believe that statutory rape did occur, then what does >presenting >> >herself as willing have to do with it? Why bring that up? Legally >> >speaking, she was raped, no matter what she said first. >> > >> >So how is Stallman not trying to excuse statutory rape by what he >> >posted? >> > >> >Mary-Anne >> > >> > >> >> On September 15, 2019 at 2:46 PM Michael Downey ><mich...@downey.net> >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I have not read the commentary articles, nor do I intend to. I >have, >> >on the other hand, read the comments by the FSF President and Board >> >member on the mailing list in question. They are entirely >inappropriate >> >comments for someone in his public position to be making. >> >> >> >> I spend my day job trying to convince large governments and NGO's >of >> >the value of free software. Once again they see the FSF leader >behaving >> >inappropriately and I have to make excuses for him and the >organization >> >that continues to provide him safe harbor, and explain that they >don't >> >represent the values of the free software movement. >> >> >> >> I'm exhausted of doing that. The board has had many opportunities >to >> >remove him from his role yet each time back down. >> >> >> >> As a single individual associate member, I can't do much. But I >can >> >(and have) revoked my 15+ year membership and am removing all >> >references to the FSF in materials from my day job. We just can't be >> >associated with that kind of public behavior any more. >> >> >> >> The letter I sent to the FSF follows. I'll be unsubscribing from >this >> >mailing list too, unfortunately, but encourage others to reconsider >> >their support until the board acts in a way true to its public >charter. >> >For the sake of software freedom, I hope my absence is short-lived. >> >> >> >> - Michael >> >> >> >> FSF associate member #2352 (since 2004-05-20) here. I also >accepted >> >the Free Software Award for Projects of Social Benefit several years >> >ago. >> >> >> >> It’s unfortunate to hear yet another incident about the FSF >> >President’s unacceptable behavior in the news again. >> >> >> >> Despite all the good things this organization does, this continued >> >behavior while holding the role makes it untenable for me to >publicly >> >support the FSF. And that’s a bad thing for software freedom. >> >> >> >> Software freedom is an important human right, but if one has to >> >publicly trample others’ human rights in order to get there, one >> >undermines one’s own cause. >> >> >> >> With his continued behavior over the years, Stallman has done >damage >> >to our movement that will take a very long time to repair. It’s time >> >for him to step down and let the next generation lead this critical >> >movement into the future. >> >> >> >> Should he be unwilling to do so, I note that based upon my review >of >> >the FSF bylaws, the Board has the power to remove the person in >office >> >of President with or without cause upon vote of the board. (Article >VI, >> >Section 7.) >> >> >> >> Until that time, I must regrettably cancel my associate >membership. >> >> >> >> /s/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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