>> Re: RMS is back on board Hi, I recall there has been some reason to avoid Github, but discussing the support of RMS being back on board, I thought of sharing a link
https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ in case you are not aware of it yet. I consider mailing FSF a better option, yet I was happy to see some activity in favour of RMS and FSF after spending a rahter unproducitve evening trying to get some input to remind me what the negative reaction from EFF and some individuals on Twitter was all about. I guess https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance might be a reaction to that fuss possibly, but I consider transparency a good thing, generally speaking. I hope they are not going to mess that up. Happy hacking ;) Jan On 3/25/21, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Send libreplanet-discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of libreplanet-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet > workshop planned. (Tobias Platen) > 2. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati) > 3. Re: RMS is back on board (Adrienne G. Thompson) > 4. Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back > on board) (Adonay Felipe Nogueira) > 5. Re: RMS is back on board (Ali Reza Hayati) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:14:56 +0100 > From: Tobias Platen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet > workshop planned. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:44:47 +0100 > Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > >> would there still be a place available? > yes, 8 places available > > -- > Tobias Platen <[email protected]> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:01:27 +0000 > From: Ali Reza Hayati <[email protected]> > To: Dennis Payne <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: Re: RMS is back on board > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > As I said, there's no "proof". A story, even if the whole world tells it, > doesn't matter unless there's proof. > > On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne <[email protected]> > wrote: >>On Thu, 2021-03-25 at 21:44 +0430, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: >>> I wrote this blog post: >>> https://alirezahayati.com/2021/03/25/fight-against-idiocy-support-rms/ >>> >>> Please send your support of RMS to [email protected]. This would be much >>> appreciated. >> >>I don't think RMS should be "cancelled". If FSF want him on the board >>that's fine with me. However, you include: >> >>"Some also accuse Stallman of sexual harassment and “assault” which >>there’s no proof of and as a person who knows him, I can tell very far >>from truth." >> >>There are enough stories that I find it implausible that there haven't >>been bad encounters in the past between Stallman and others. Maybe he >>didn't realize he treated someone badly. Maybe he has since learned and >>treats people better. I don't know. I remember an actor commenting on a >>late show that there wouldn't be a "me too" moment highlighting his bad >>behavior but acknowledged in the past he might have been dismissive to >>a woman in a meeting or something. We are all human and anyone can make >>a mistake. >> >>Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of >>games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as >>it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision >>of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to >>the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo >>all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to >>not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as >>simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require >>altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively >>makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made. >> >> > > -- > Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com) > Libre culture activist and privacy advocate > PGP: B7DC C419 C0ED 05D5 6535 1BD3 2A7F A925 75A3 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 854 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20210325/68e69c7b/attachment.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:41:23 -0500 > From: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <[email protected]> > To: Ali Reza Hayati <[email protected]> > Cc: libreplanet-discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: RMS is back on board > Message-ID: > <cacvte5hjtyez7epcccd1rorccnjsknxnfasrgc5sfw7j3ub...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Ali: > > Please send your support of RMS to [email protected]. This would be much >> appreciated. > > > I was in the process of drafting an email to [email protected] when I received > your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others to > email messages of support too - asap! > > Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account of > canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from his > allies on the Board. Let's address that too. > > Adrienne > -- > Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! > > GNU C-Graph - http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph > Code Art Now - http://codeartnow.com > Abertheid Campaign - http://www.abertheid.info > Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph > Let's Link Up: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ > -------------- next part -------------- > Ali: > > Please send your support of RMS to [1][email protected]. This would be > much > appreciated. > > I was in the process of drafting an email to [2][email protected] when I > received your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage > others to email messages of support too - asap! > Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account > of canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support > from his allies on the Board. Let's address that too. > Adrienne > -- > Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! > GNU C-Graph - [3]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph > Code Art Now - [4]http://codeartnow.com > Abertheid Campaign - [5]http://www.abertheid.info > Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph > Let's Link Up: [6]https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > 2. mailto:[email protected] > 3. http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph > 4. http://codeartnow.com/ > 5. http://www.abertheid.info/ > 6. https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennegt/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:09:01 -0300 > From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Non-functional/non-practical data/works (was: Re: RMS is back > on board) > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Em 25/03/2021 18:01, Ali Reza Hayati escreveu: >> … > > Ali, I'm not replying to you, but to Dennis Payne. Their message is the only > instance in which their statements appear. > >> On March 25, 2021 8:39:16 PM UTC, Dennis Payne >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Even without those stories, I find RMS flawed in his treatment of >>> games. He is accepting of non-free artwork and other content as long as >>> it is not code. I understand his reasoning that is the artistic vision >>> of the creator. I just don't agree. If you want to add a new feature to >>> the game which requires some new sprites, you would be required to redo >>> all the content or perhaps make the new sprites clash in style so as to >>> not infringe on the copyright of the original art. Even something as >>> simple as tweaking a pause screen to add some information may require >>> altering some graphics. A free game with non-free content effectively >>> makes it non-free because some changes cannot be reasonably made. > > For packages that want to be included in free/libre system distributions, > according to the GNU FSDG, which is the guidelines used to review if a > package can be included, or if a distro can be considered free/libre, the > section on non-practical/non-functional works/data[1] states that at least > freedom 2 in full must be granted (that is, the freedom to share and sell > unlimited copies of the original work). > > Interestingly, the Free Software Directory's requirements page[2] > acknowledges that RMS also recognized that some subjectivity is needed, so > they do leave margin for analysis of what can be considered a > non-functional/non-practical data/work, since an audio file can either be > used for listening pleasure or for an audio-based map generator for a game. > > There is also a part of the free/libre software movement that cares for > free/libre culture[3], which extends all the definitions to the > non-functional/non-practical data/works. But from my past years implementing > this to my works I can say that this is still challenging, as many people > aren't aware that simply proving an .OGG/.OPUS file of a music is not enough > (again, in the context of *free culture* activists, not free software > activists), even if the license gives the four freedoms. > > Furthermore, the resources that would be required for one free culture > activist alone to provide the complete corresponding source files amount to > tebibytes of data unless you find a caring community to share the load with > you by seeding using torrents. Even with this, the seeded data mustn't be > mutable/changeable, so either you stick with one intro for the 1,000 videos > of your channel or make shares for each revision of the intro. On top of > that, unless your torrent share did distribute the complete corresponding > source files of the awesome video that is also on the same share, you would > still have licensing considerations to take into account before simply > deleting the old versions/revisions. > > I don't know if WebTorrent/WebSeed/WebRTC supports seeding more than one > file in the same torrent, and also has a way to tell which is the one that > is supposed to be automatically played, but I hope it does provide such > functions. > > Before PeerTube existed (and I don't even know if it's free/libre yet, > despite the FSD entry, since I don't know if all the direct or indirect > dependencies were reviewed), I tried publishing videos and pointing in the > video's description to the torrent of the complete corresponding source > files, which I seeded for about two years, then I faced some storage issues > and lost all stuff except the torrent files. I tried using those to recover > the source files, but no seed appeared, this is why the above two paragraphs > are so important for free culture activism. > > > # References > > > [1]: > https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#non-functional-data > . > > [2]: > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:Requirements#Edge_Cases > . > > [3]: https://freedomdefined.org/Definition . > > > -- > * Ativista do software livre > * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno > * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de > * Software (Free Software Directory) > * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) > * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) > * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres > * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail > * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada > * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP > * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior > * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude > * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" > * Ao enviar anexos > * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument > * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior > * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas > * Vide endereço anterior > * Mensagens secretas somente via > * XMPP com OMEMO > * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 228 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: > <https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20210325/2a1e9203/attachment.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:13:58 +0000 > From: Ali Reza Hayati <[email protected]> > To: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <[email protected]> > Cc: libreplanet-discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: RMS is back on board > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Adrienne. > > Libreplanet people, while we can message board members, it is much > appreciated to first send your emails to [email protected]. > > Letting board members know of your support is also very much appreciated. > > Let's not let these bullies and haters hurt our principals and take back our > control over software libre world for the good of all of us. Thank you all. > > On March 25, 2021 9:41:23 PM UTC, "Adrienne G. Thompson" > <[email protected]> wrote: >>Ali: >> >>Please send your support of RMS to [email protected]. This would be much >>> appreciated. >> >> >>I was in the process of drafting an email to [email protected] when I received >>your message. I'll be sending it today, and wish to encourage others to >>email messages of support too - asap! >> >>Also, please don't forget that Alexandre Oliva has been axed on account of >>canvassing support for RMS' reinstatement. RMS will need support from his >>allies on the Board. Let's address that too. >> >>Adrienne > > -- > Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com) > Libre culture activist and privacy advocate > PGP: B7DC C419 C0ED 05D5 6535 1BD3 2A7F A925 75A3 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 854 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20210325/4622892b/attachment.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > End of libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 131, Issue 17 > **************************************************** > _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
