Hi, It will not matter how many examples I produce, if you consider "shouting at people in public" acceptable behavior. There are many collections of examples of RMS's unacceptable behavior and if you have discounted all of them, then you will discount all of mine too. It might be interesting to think about why that is and if there is some behavior you would find unacceptable from RMS or a person whose word you would believe? I can't share the GNU maintainer mailing lists because they are not and never have been public. I will not waste any more of my time trying to change your mind. Best, Deb
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 3:50 PM Jean Louis <[email protected]> wrote: * Deb Nicholson <[1][email protected]> [2021-04-14 22:29]: > I can't comment on the censored email that no one saw. [2]https://hyperscope.link/3/6/9/1/6/Libreplanet-censored-email-on-S elam-Jie-Gano-36916.html > > It actually serves the opponents of free software quite well to have > > > someone who pushes people away and facilitates a hostile > > > environment, be in charge of the FSF. > > > > Quite opposite is true, RMS was never facilitating hostile > > environment. FSF is not public, but privately founded non-profit, > > founded by RMS, it is equal as his own, and legally he could, if he > > would want, keep it totally under his control, but he did not, it is > > gift to mankind. > > > > The FSF is a public charity. It is bound by it's US tax status to serve the > public good, not a personal goal although of course there is sometimes > overlap. It serves personal goals of RMS and public good, that is why it is tax exempt. Serving public good does not mean that organization is public, it does not belong under legal authority of you, neither me, or anybody else to say how it should be governed, as RMS with help of whoever attorneys or helpers back then, has already made its Articles of Incorporation By-Laws and internal decision documents that are representing written instructions of governance. You, me, nobody else but voting members, founder, and directors or board, have no say there, regardless how much we may like the FSF. > As for a hostile environment, I have witnessed repeated hostility > (bullying, ad hominem attacks, dog-piling, etc.) on the GNU mailing > lists. In the context of RMS, as GNU mailing lists are public, can you point out where did RMS bully, made ad hominem attacks or did dog-piling? If you cannot, please retract these generalized and unfounded statements, in other words, have some dignity. > I have seen RMS shout at people at least a dozen times in public. I am sorry for your emotions, to shout means to protest, and that may as well be, but I never heard him saying some bad words. I have been shouting in public and I heard many other people shouting in public. I do not see how it is relevant really. Maybe you wanted to describe something else which come out now too generalized, please try to bring specific fact that we may see what you speak about. > He inspires others to also interrupt and shout at people in the > middle of their public presentations. Those are hostile acts. You > may say they are justified, but they are undeniably hostile. Please, this generalization is nothing but what it is, generalization. To show that you have a good intent, I would ask that you show something factual, as RMS is public figure. By the way RMS is a public speaker, he is free to speak and may express himself emotionally, which is what public speakers do. That you don't like his opinion, it does not make somebody "bad" as in behavior because public speaker speaks louder than you think it should. Many motivational speakers speak much louder and shout more. There are comedians who speak, shout, yell, turn themselves upside down, politicians, preachers from every religion, singers who involve themselves in politics, celebrities of all kind. I do not know what particular situation you find so? Can you point out to one evidence? I know myself when RMS was upset as due to organizer, so what? That is RMS. Nothing bad was said there that I could hear. You don't like somebody's emotion as response to some wrong doing, but you don't want even to verify what preceded such emotion, and you judge it only by emotion. Well I know people are like that, but I am sorry for that type of judgment capabilities. > That you come here with this perversion of truth without any facts > or evidences is disgrace. > > I'm not "coming here." I've always been here. I'm a former FSF staff person > who built LibrePlanet into a multi-day event and helped set up the > LibrePlanet wiki and this list. You calling me a liar is a perfect > example That is great, I value your contributions, but I never spoke about them, neither you, and it was not subject here. Instead of making it emotional again, why you then don't bring up ONE FACT that we can isolate and say reasonable, ah yes, you are right. Why you continue talking, talking, and not being specific? IMHO, that is because you have nothing specific to say. I am still asking you to show what you mean. All what I know from you is general accusation motion and repeated calls for public shaming. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: [3]https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman [4]https://stallmansupport.org/ [5]https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. https://hyperscope.link/3/6/9/1/6/Libreplanet-censored-email-on-Selam-Jie-Gano-36916.html 3. https://www.fsf.org/campaigns 4. https://stallmansupport.org/ 5. https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
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