I agree that Danny Spitzberg makes a valuable clarification! I am not advocating ineffectual gestures and self harm. I'm advocating socially responsible engineering. Thank you, Danny.
-t On 2021-07-09 11:04, Danny Spitzberg wrote: Instead of quitting solo/individualistically, which makes no material impact on any company, every tech worker should first consider talking with and organizing with their fellow workers at their current workplace. On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 11:00 AM Thomas Lord <[1][email protected]> wrote: The copyright concerns seem minor until they're systematically exploited (if ever). Meanwhile, the product is basically "We've gotten really good at cranking our reams and reams of very low quality code to the point no computer user expects anything better and NOW, at last, we can automate part of this process and make it go faster!" Every tech worker should quit their job and go back to caring about writing good software that helps people, working at sane paces, and getting away from neglecting fundamentals including human need, solid systems software, simplicity and in-the-field composibility and deep extensibility, documentation, accessibility, ... etc. -t On 2021-07-09 08:58, Danny Spitzberg wrote: > Leslie gets it > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 8:57 AM J Leslie Turriff > <[1][2][email protected]> > wrote: > > On 2021-07-07 14:04:02 Jean Louis wrote: > > * alimiracle <[2][3][email protected]> [2021-07-07 21:35]: > > > its doesn't give you the same code. > > > > That for sure. > > > > > its rearrangement codes and integrate them, and then gives you > the > > > result > > > > Yes, and that may be useful. > > > > > This thing make a lot of problems. > > > > Main problem is abuse of free software licenses. > > > > > - Makes programmers not creative > > > > I would not tell that too early. You know the libraries that > exist > in > > every programming language? They are often used and re-used, for > > example Python libraries, Node.js libraries, Haskell libraries, > Go > > libraries, there are so many. One could say that libraries make > > programmers not creative as they are ready available. > > > > In fact, I like programming without using external libraries. > But > > often it is useless to like it that way, libraries are available > and > > trying to re-write something is reinventing the wheel, so I end > up > > using external libraries. > > > > Libraries are often so much bigger than programming snippets > that > the > > free software license abusive AI tool we speak about will > provide. > > > > Do libraries make programmers not creative? I don't think it is > so > > generally. But in relation to the library they definitely make > > programmer not think about whatever library is providing. In > that > > context programmer will stop creating because library is already > > there. > > > > With AI snippets is about similar. > > > > > Produces a generation of lazy programmers > > > - Produces a generation of lazy programmers > > > - Since the app collects codes and rearrange it .......... > > > > This may be said also for libraries. It is not useful to go > analysing > > it like that. One could say that because GUI exists for specific > > programing language, that such GUI makes programmers lazy. > > > > But programmers are lazy! > > > > [3][4]https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=programmers+are+lazu > > > > [4][5]https://www.sarcasm.com/programmers-are-lazy/ > > > > [5][6]http://threevirtues.com/ > > > > According to Larry Wall(1), the original author of the Perl > programming > > language, there are three great virtues of a programmer; > Laziness, > > Impatience and Hubris > > > > Laziness: The quality that makes you go to great effort to > reduce > > overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving > > programs that other people will find useful and document > what > you > > wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about > it. > > > > Impatience: The anger you feel when the computer is being > > lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to > your > > needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least pretend to. > > > > Hubris: The quality that makes you write (and maintain) > programs > > that other people won't want to say bad things about. > > > > > It means the app repeating other people's code mistakes. > > > > It can be, it is up to programmer to make it right. > In the commercial programming environment, what you're > calling laziness is a necessity of > the drive by management to produce product as quickly as possible. > (I spent thirty years > in that environment.) Stealing code from one program for another, > or gutting a program > to create a different one is the normal way of life in that > environment. Of course, > those programs were all property of the company, so there was no > issue of IP theft. > The real drawback of using libraries is that one doesn't > have time to look at how the > services that a library provides work, how reliable and safe the > library code is. > In contrast, the snippets that this other service provides > are likely small enough for > the programmer to be able to analyze, and as a side-effect they > further the programmer's > knowledge of programming. > Leslie > -- > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [6][7][email protected] > > [7][8]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-dis cus > s > > References > > 1. mailto:[9][email protected] > 2. mailto:[10][email protected] > 3. [11]https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=programmers+are+lazu > 4. [12]https://www.sarcasm.com/programmers-are-lazy/ > 5. 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