On 22/04/15 12:30AM, Jean Louis wrote: > * andrew via libreplanet-discuss <[email protected]> > [2022-04-14 18:30]: > > The reason I posted this here are: > > > > (1) During the lockdown, we are obligated to use the following nonfree > > software: > > How are you obligated? Which law, rule or policy is asking you that?
By policy. > Please provide references if there are any WWW references, so that we > may complain to those organizations. That's require me to use the nonfree part of the Web, I'm currently not on my dirty system, I'll give them later > > 1. Tencent Meetings for school; > > 2. 随申办 for getting a QR code as a token for mandated COVID tests; > > Simply swiping a second-generation citizen ID cart is > > "deprecated" for some reason; > > I wish I could understand, but QR code is not a software. Is there > software that is obligated to be installed? They require 随申办 for generating the said QR code, a nonfree phone app. > > 3. Nonfree online shopping platforms, mainly used by my family, > > because that's the only way people get food. > > Who is obligating you to use it? If it is "online" does that mean it > is website with non-free Javascript? It's a cellular phone app; we're not obligated to use it, but in practice not using it = starve. > > 1. I see social issues like this an important extension of the ideas > > of the movement---our goal is not free software, it's a free > > society, while free software is indeed one of the first steps > > (paraphrasing RMS); > > Free society is not same as Libreplanet. I don't think it is good to > discuss what "free" means for this or that party, as we are global, we > are people from various places. What may mean "free society" for one > person may be occupation for other. Understood. > > 2. Sorry, I'm just a bit raged at the policy, and thinking it's > > freedom related I kinda need somewhere for it to go (not a good > > reason, bruh); > > Libreplanet is not generally freedom related, it is about free > software and freedom in computing. If we discuss topics that are > generally freedom related we deviate into a lot of politics and the > tendency may disperse people on this mailing list who are otherwise > interested in free software, and not general freedom topics. > > We better keep it on topic related to free software. > > 3. The lockdowns here depict authoritarianism and DISRESPECT for > > individuality, > > Sure. > > > it's kind-of like how people are forced to use Zoom and WhatsApp and > > GitHub because everyone is on it (also why federated and distributed > > things like GNUnet are cool). > > There is no direct connection between lockdowns and proprietary > software. > > If you think you are forced, then complain to those who force you, and > please if possible provide references that I give you suggestion how > to complain. Complained multiple times, gov doesn't reply, teachers call me .. basically a freetard, lol > For example if organization is forcing you to use Zoom, then I would > like to ask organization if they would, due to force, also provide > all the hardware for the software. I would give them reasons why it is > not good, such as privacy abuses, backdoors, proprietary software, etc. (My email in Oct 2021 explains this a bit) > > Either way, I do believe a -misc list makes sense. > > And I don't, as FSF has free software as purpose, and not general > politics as purpose. > > You are free to make your own mailing list. But using people on > Libreplanet mailing list for whatever other politics is somehow not > quite fair. > > I don't mind if FSF makes such decisions, I am stating my opinion. FSF > is non-profit and has specific purposes that must fit into the law, > into the IRS tax-free status and social benefits. > > Every person is free to pay few dollars and make a mailing list that > is not related to free software. Understood. > > Free Software is our first step to a free society, > > I don't know what you mean with "free society". Can you define it? Well, RMS said that; as I understand it means individuality and not having freaking authoritarianism. -a
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