On Sun, 26 Mar 2023, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
On Mar 26, 2023, at 22:57, David Lang <da...@lang.hm> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote:
The point of the thread is that we still do not treat digital communications
infrastructure as life support critical.
Well, let's keep things in perspective, unlike power, water (fresh and
waste), and often gas, communications infrastructure is mostly not critical
yet. But I agree that we are clearly on a path in that direction, so it is time
to look at that from a different perspective.
Personally, I am a big fan of putting the access network into communal
hands, as these guys already do a decent job with other critical infrastructure
(see list above, plus roads) and I see a PtP fiber access network terminating
in some CO-like locations a viable way to allow ISPs to compete in the internet
service field all the while using the communally build access network for a
few. IIRC this is how Amsterdam organized its FTTH roll-out. Just as POTS
wiring has beed essentially unchanged for decades, I estimate that current
fiber access lines would also last for decades requiring no active component
changes in the field, making them candidates for communal management. (With all
my love for communal ownership and maintenance, these typically are not very
nimble and hence best when we talk about life times of decades).
This is happening in some places (the town where I live is doing such a
rollout), but the incumbant ISPs are fighting this and in many states have
gotten laws created that prohibit towns from building such systems.
A resistance that in the current system is understandable*... btw, my
point is not wanting to get rid of ISPs, I really just think that the access
network is more of a natural monopoly and if we want actual ISP competition,
the access network is the wrong place to implement it... as it is unlikely
that we will see multiple ISPs running independent fibers to all/most dwelling
units... There are two ways I see to address this structural problem:
a) require ISPs to rent the access links to their competitors for "reasonable"
prices
b) as I proposed have some non-ISP entity build and maintain the access network
In my town, the city is building the network, connecting every house, and then
there are going to be multiple ISPs available (at least 3 that I've seen, I
haven't dug into it since I'm not yet connected)
David Lang
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