Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:18:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Kalos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Lib 1100 panel-mounted mouse - how quick and
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:33 +0000
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LIB] Lib 1100 panel-mounted mouse - how quick and
>
> |Ya you end up doing things like tapping 4 times to emulate a right click. No
>thanks. And how will you do a
> |right drag? Or a mouseover (as opposed to a mouse drag)?
> |>
> |>Dragging is easy and possible: I can drag on the CE desktop surface, in the
>Windows explorer and in applications (not in PocketWord because not implemented for
>whatever reasons): simply clicking and dragging.
> |
> |Umm ... RIGHT dragging. LEFT dragging is (relatively) easy if a down-move-up is
>classed as a drag (and not a normal mouse move). I dunno about you but under PC
>Windows I right drag in Explorer all the time (to get the drag context menu).
> |
> |
> |>Tapping 2 times for a right click: Right drag = "alt"+click+drag.
> |>
> |>Sorry Ray, I do not know, what a mouse-over is.
> |
> |Where you move the mouse to a position (such as a link or icon) but don't click on
>it.
>
> A mouse-over is not necessary, because you do not have a cursor on CE, when you use
>the stylus. In my opinion the only purpose of a mouse-over is the feedback to the
>user, where he is positioning the mouse, because the mouse/trackball is not directly
>on the screen. With a stylus/pen pointing device, you do not need this kind of
>feedback as long the device is calibrated right, and you can see, where are you
>pointing to (unless one is not handicaped and needs a sort of assistive technology).
>
> |If tapping 2 times is a right click then how do you double click? Double
>rightclick? And like you said, you
> |still need another button (alt in this case) to do a right drag. What about a
>shift-rightclick (which you
> |sometimes DO need to do)?
>
> I suspect a misunderstanding: right-click = alt+click+up; tapping 2 times =
>double-click, what I meant with 2 times tapping in opposite to tapping 4 times:
> |Ya you end up doing things like tapping 4 times to emulate a right click. No
>thanks.
>
> shift-rightclick: have not done it, will try it. I normally use the ordinary
>left-click and left-drag.
> For the left-hand-holding tasks - like entering a contact, an appointment or so -
>left-click is usually enough.
>
> Bernhard
Again with the apples and oranges, and in some case, apples and
more of the same exact apples.
"Alt+Click+Up" is the SAME as having a button on your stylus. It
proves that you can't get away with just a dumb stylus as your input
device. You need some kind of intelligent stylus, like a Wacom Graphire,
or you need to push buttons on a keyboard. Don't differentiate between a
key and a button, for they're the same as far as usability is concerned:
They're crap.
Mouseovers, meanwhile, are actually somewhat useful at times, but
require an actual cursor, or once again, a smart stylus that can detect
the difference between a dangling stylus and an actual tap.
I see nothing wrong with a "mostly" smart stylus. Again, the
Graphire pen serves as a decent example. It has a button for the tip as
well as the end, and with a proper driver, these act as "draw" and
"erase." They also have a button on the side, but let's assume for a
moment that one isn't to use that.
If you leave the pen hanging over the surface, then that's where
your cursor is. This ought to be enough for mouseovers on a pen-only
system. Tap to click, flip-tap (erase) for right clicks (which in and of
themselves are a bit excessive!)
Shift-clicks are the most useless item in all of Win2K, however,
and should be done away with. Just make the "Run as" option part of the
basic right click.
For that matter, why not just add a context menu and force double
clicking to activate any object? Single click would work as a select,
from which point you could run a context sensitive menu, or just a drop
down if you hold on an icon for long enough. This isn't ideal, of course,
but it would give you all of the functionality you need with a single
button. No command/option clicks, no right-clicks, and no
shift-right-clicks.
However, as long as we're talking about any non-Embedded Windows,
or Pocket PC, none of this matters. We use right clicks, and shift
clicks, and so on, and none of those actions are even remotely intuitive
with a pen. In a technology-free situation, I use a pen to write, and
maybe as a junior pointing stick when I need to show something to someone
else. I don't really do anything that would come close to right clicking,
and I think that's really the point. Since pens don't have buttons,
there's no such thing as an intuitive dumb stylus interface for vanilla
Windows.
CK
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