Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:03:37 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: making MP3s to fill my new HDD [LIB]

At 12:00 AM 17/03/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 07:53:16
>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: making MP3s to fill my new HDD [LIB]
>
>>Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:13:05 +0000
>>From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: making MP3s to fill my new HDD [LIB]
>>
>>(Caution: Absolutely no Libretto content here...  )
>
>>>There will ALWAYS be a way of copying the audio. After all, if you wanted
>>>to push it to the extreme, you could always play the CD in a half-decent CD
>>>player, plug the digital out (or analogue out if they've protected digital
>>>signals) into another device or a computer then just record. No way they
>>>can stop that ... <
>
>You will always be able to read a digital data stream...after all, if you can't 
>decode it, you can't play it, so what's the point.

Thats why I mentioned the analogue out bit as well.


> However, the sp-dif domestic format includes a copy inhibit bit which recording 
>equipment is *supposed* to respect. I suppose the US govt will require that 
>unstreaming chips *must* obey, but it won't make any difference - professional 
>systems always ignore the copy bit.

There will always be people figuring out how to 'patch' consumer equipment to ignore 
this stuff ... look at all the PlayStation mods.


>>Heh...  yeah...  that was the very first thing I thought when I read that
>>article...  No stoppin' tappin' into that digital stream with a fancy lure!
>>
>>>schemes like the Anti-VCR stuff on DVDs won't fix that for instance because
>>>there is no intelligence in the recorder that can be 'fooled' that can't be
>>>'turned off'.<
>>
>>I had a fairly knowledgeable friend who works with videocassettes tell me
>>that some new (in the past many years) VCRs (don't know about DVD players)
>>ARE in fact made with copy protection that is written into SOME
>>videocassettes  ...  and so keep them from being copied.  Know anything
>>about this Raymond?
>
>Again, there are various mechanisms to upset video recorders. The simplest is to put 
>a varying height pulse in the frame blanking pulse - on record, most domestic vcrs do 
>an automatic gain control based on the height of the sync pulse in blanking - so the 
>brightness of the rest of the frame is incorrect. Doesn't stop it being recorded, but 
>makes it unwatchable. Of course, a video signal processor will chop that straight out 
>again...

... as would transcoding onto a computer. And of course in the case of DVDs if you rip 
straight from a PC DVD drive then its a non-issue.


- Raymond

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