To address any doubt anyone may have, no decision is pre-determined, nor
is the decision made unilaterally by OSI as an organization without
respect for the contributions made by the community on L-R and
elsewhere. I think that's apparent from the vigorous discussion that is
still ongoing, including active participation by OSI Board members, and
the length of time that this license has been under review.
Nonetheless, we received, further confirmed, and are honoring Bruce's
request and he is no longer subscribed to any of the OSI mailing lists.
Pam
Pamela Chestek
Chair, License Committee
Open Source Initiative
On 1/2/20 12:43 AM, Bruce Perens via License-review wrote:
Josh,
Well, it seems to me that the organization is rather enthusiastically
headed toward accepting a license that isn't freedom respecting. Fine,
do it without me, please. I asked Patrick to cancel my membership, and
I would have unsubscribed from OSI lists, including this one, if your
server was working. I own an interest in 10 Open Source companies and
manage a 50 Million dollar portfolio investing in them. That will keep
me involved enough.
Thanks
Bruce
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 9:18 PM Joshua R. Simmons
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
That's out of line, Bruce. I'm not sure where this FUD is coming
from, but it's inappropriate.
Regardless of my own views, I quite value Bradley's contribution,
as well as Van's engaging the process and responding to criticism
in good faith.
I've been following the discussions closely and, frankly, it seems
a decent model of critical civil discourse. Let's keep it that way.
(Apologies for the re-send, had to square away some issues with my
mailing list membership.)
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:53 PM Bruce Perens via License-review
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Don't waste your time, Bradley. They were told not to listen
to you, either.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 6:29 PM Bradley M. Kuhn <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I can't find an example when OSI approved a novel copyleft
license that
hadn't yet been used in practice and therefore had no
track record of use
for any FOSS project. It was once somewhat common for OSI
to approve
licenses that were used by only one entity, and most of
those licenses were
never used beyond the one project, and even most of those
entities have
deprecated those by now. (OSI also made a decision to
cease considering
such single-use licenses.) Rapid acceptance of a novel
licenses, so far
unused in practice, causes confusion in the FOSS community.
Folks have shouted down Bruce as he wonders how Van's
license will be used
in practice. I think Bruce has made a useful point on
this thread: as a
general matter, it's relevant that we consider how the
license impacts
users' *and* software publishers' software freedoms in
*practice*, not
merely *in theory*.
In that regard, I'd like to know if the project that plans
to use this
license will be inbound=outbound (i.e., is the entity
that's promulgating
this new license willing to bound themselves by the
license terms)? Van,
could you tell us, on behalf of your client (who appears
to be the only
potential licensor interested in this license), what their
contribution
plans are regarding this license? Are they planning to
accept contributions
under this license, and thus be bound by it for their FOSS
projects?
If not, why not?
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