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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Artem<art...@gmail.com> wrote: > > People have different preferences so you can decide to stay on Google > Groups or help start the forum. If you want to help out, the forum > URL is www.liftforum.com. If you have other questions about the > forum, give me a shout at art...@gmail.com. > > Thanks. > > On Aug 30, 6:03 pm, Timothy Perrett <timo...@getintheloop.eu> wrote: >> We recently went through such a debate at work trying to decide >> between web forum vs mailing list and the end result for us at least >> was "it depends". A lot of this is all highly subjective, there is no >> right or wrong - both sides need to remember that what works for them >> might not work for others. Personally, i prefer mailing lists but am >> happy to accept that some people cant / wont / dont use mailing lists >> for whatever reasons. >> >> From a project perspective, I think google groups rocks for the >> following reasons: >> >> - its a mailing list >> - its a forum of sorts (i.e. you can interact purely from a browser if >> you wish) >> - it has RSS feeds >> - its hosted remotely, for free. >> - you just need a google account rather than another stupid login >> >> Like i said, there is no right or wrong in the general battle, however >> for lift I think that for the outlined reasons above it works and >> thats the way it should stay IMO. >> >> Cheers, Tim >> >> On 30 Aug 2009, at 20:48, marius d. wrote: >> >> >> >> > Personally I like mailing lists .. I find it easier for me to try to >> > help people then a traditional forum. For someone who wants to lear >> > Lit perhaps a more traditional forum is more helpful? ... don't really >> > know .. I guess it depends on the person. >> >> > Br's, >> > Marius >> >> > On Aug 30, 10:10 pm, Artem <art...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The problem is that this Google Group is not user friendly and not >> >> organized. I think it will be better to have a user friendly forum >> >> where everything is organized according to its category and easily >> >> accessible. This group is hard to find and hard to search. >> >> >> On Aug 30, 3:00 pm, "Charles F. Munat" <c...@munat.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Just my two cents, but I think establishing a separate forum at this >> >>> point is a mite premature. What problem, exactly, is it that we're >> >>> trying to solve? >> >> >>> Chas. >> >> >>> Naftoli Gugenheim wrote: >> >>>> Once again, I don't see how you can discuss it until you know >> >>>> that David's fine with it. >> >>>> Personally I haven't read any concrete benefit (I don't know what >> >>>> "take the load off" or "get more sites out there" mean >> >>>> practically) that isn't available now between the list an the >> >>>> wiki---certainly not to outweigh the very clear disadvantage to >> >>>> both posters, who have that much less of a chance getting an >> >>>> answer in any one place and may have to ask twice, as well as to >> >>>> "experts" who can either only monitor one site and leave the >> >>>> other site with fewer "experts"; or be inconvenienced to monitor >> >>>> both. >> >>>> How many members are there of the Google Group currently? And >> >>>> what percentage ever offer answers? Regularly? The lift community >> >>>> is not as large as many other communities. Does Scala itself have >> >>>> other forums besides its own lists? If so what is their state? >> >>>> Certainly the Scala community is much larger than lift's. (Maybe >> >>>> you should make your forum be a Scala forum, and have a lift >> >>>> category... But again, I think it's only fair to ask lift's >> >>>> mastermind first!) >> >> >>>> ------------------------------------- >> >>>> marius d.<marius.dan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> My 2 cents if I may ... >> >> >>>> Although I love this list and this is the official Lift list and >> >>>> support I think it is important to also have other wiki's, forums >> >>>> etc. >> >>>> out there. Personally I don't see this as a community split. More >> >>>> and >> >>>> more people are becoming pretty knowledgeable with Lift & Scala >> >>>> sharing information about Lift on other channels ... is nothing >> >>>> wrong >> >>>> with that .. .quite the opposite. In fact this may take some of the >> >>>> load on this list as community grows. >> >> >>>> Would be nice though to have a central place where all other >> >>>> wiki's/ >> >>>> forums can be found. For instance serious forums/wikis could be >> >>>> references from lift web-site or even fromthis list in the header >> >>>> section. >> >> >>>> Br's, >> >>>> Marius >> >> >>>> On Aug 30, 8:37 am, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoli...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> The lift community is not huge. It's David Pollak's brainchild, >> >>>>> and I don't see how you can discuss creating a forum (after the >> >>>>> fact) without his okaying it. How can you compare it to an IRC? >> >>>>> A forum fills much of the same purpose as the list, much more >> >>>>> than IRC. >> >>>>> Some of the advantages mentioned are better solved by a Wiki. >> >>>>> (Your volunteering to help with it is much appreciated.) >> >>>>> Searchability - sounds like a bug on Google's part, no? Is there >> >>>>> a Group for discussing Google Groups? In any case, it's >> >>>>> addressed by services like MarkMail. Isn't Nabbles searchable? >> >>>>> Duplicate questions - forums don't completely solve this. >> >>>>> Searchability would help, as will the Wiki as it grows. >> >>>>> Stickies - Google Groups doesn't allow stickies? >> >>>>> Syntax highlighting/formatting; organization - the way I see it, >> >>>>> you can draw a continuum with IRC being the most transient and a >> >>>>> Wiki etc. the most permanent, with a mailing list, a Google >> >>>>> Groups mailng list, and a forum falling in between, in >> >>>>> increasing order of permanence/organizability. As you go from >> >>>>> left to right you get more of these features, but a forum is >> >>>>> still less than a Wiki. On the other hand as you go right to >> >>>>> left you get more "dynamic"/on the fly--you just write a >> >>>>> question without worrying about organization or formatting. >> >>>>> Does that make sense? >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------- >> >> >>>>> Xavi Ramirez<xavi....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>> I applaud Artem's initiative! >> >> >>>>> The mailing list has undoubtedly been an extremely helpful >> >>>>> resource. >> >>>>> That said, a mailing lists in general have several short comings: >> >> >>>>> - Hard to search through >> >>>>> - Many duplicate questions >> >>>>> - No stickies >> >>>>> - No syntax highlighting and few formatting options >> >>>>> - Little to no message organization >> >>>>> - Few moderation tools >> >> >>>>> A forum could be a nice way to address these issues, so it might >> >>>>> be >> >>>>> worth a try. Also I think introducing a forum is anymore likely >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> splinter than an IRC chat room. >> >> >>>>> Just my two cents. >> >> >>>>> -Xavi >> >> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Timothy >> >>>>> Perrett<timo...@getintheloop.eu> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> Agreed (and +1) - Personally I actually prefer mailing lists >> >>>>>> full stop >> >>>>>> because it involves no web site trawling to get to the topics >> >>>>>> one is >> >>>>>> after... >> >>>>>> Cheers, Tim >> >>>>>> On 30/08/2009 01:20, "TylerWeir" <tyler.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> I'm not really sure how splintering the community is going to >> >>>>>>> help. >> >>>>>>> I feel the google group has been fine. >> >>>>>>> On Aug 29, 6:59 pm, Artem <art...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> Hey! >> >>>>>>>> I stumbled on Lift a couple weeks ago and have been messing >> >>>>>>>> around >> >>>>>>>> with it a lot! I am a Ruby on Rails programmer and it seems >> >>>>>>>> like Ruby >> >>>>>>>> is doing a fine job serving the web programmers community. >> >>>>>>>> Recently, >> >>>>>>>> I read an article about Twitter running RoR and it crashing >> >>>>>>>> after a >> >>>>>>>> while. They decided to switch to Scala because it's scalable >> >>>>>>>> unlike >> >>>>>>>> Ruby. I am planning on developing a large website that will >> >>>>>>>> require >> >>>>>>>> lots of CPU/Database usage and I was wondering if Scala/Lift >> >>>>>>>> is the >> >>>>>>>> way to do it? >> >>>>>>>> I'm not a fan of Google Groups, they are not very user >> >>>>>>>> friendly, so I >> >>>>>>>> created a forum specially for Lift developers that like to >> >>>>>>>> discuss >> >>>>>>>> topics about the Scala/Lift programming language. If you >> >>>>>>>> want to help >> >>>>>>>> start the forum and post a couple topics I would greatly >> >>>>>>>> appreciate >> >>>>>>>> it. The link ishttp://www.liftforum.com. It's a new forum >> >>>>>>>> so there >> >>>>>>>> isn't much content on it yet. >> >>>>>>>> Thanks. > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lift" group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
