Omni Layer already does this, on Bitcoin, and recently added NFT support, but I don't know much about that aspect.
OmniBOLT also exists as a LN layer for Omni assets. OB is being audited right now. Sending NFTs using Lightning is generally impractical, as it is a liquidity-based routing network, thus requires a whole new network for each new asset. But fungible assets should be doable by any popular token asset. I don't think RGB is practically usable by anyone yet, and still needs severe attention paid to auditing the design, if it is ever completed at all... On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 7:00 AM < lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Send Lightning-dev mailing list submissions to > lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lightning-dev-requ...@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lightning-dev-ow...@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Lightning-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [bitcoin-dev] Sending OP_RETURN via Bitcoin Lightning (Karl) > 2. Re: [bitcoin-dev] Sending OP_RETURN via Bitcoin Lightning > (Martin Habov?tiak) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 05:20:55 -0500 > From: Karl <gmk...@gmail.com> > To: H?ctor Jos? C?rdenas Pacheco <hcarp...@gmail.com>, Bitcoin > Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > Cc: lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] Sending OP_RETURN via > Bitcoin Lightning > Message-ID: > <CALL-=e5mF9TqbbD= > cf-bawbw4dq2pgjc9w_nqaqehsb829z...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > I'm not a bitcoin developer. > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 5:05 AM H?ctor Jos? C?rdenas Pacheco via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I?ve been thinking about how OP_RETURN is being used to create and trade > > NFTs on Bitcoin (think RarePepes, SoG and other new ones) and was > wondering > > if it?s possible to > > > > Do you have a link to any of these protocols? > > make transactions with this opcode via Lightning. > > > > More specific questions could be: > > > > 1. Can opcodes like OP_RETURN be inside a channel?s opening or closing > > transaction? > > 2. If so, could that OP_RETURN change hands within that channel or > > network of channels? > > > > OP_RETURNs do not have ownership according to the bitcoin network. It is > not hard to define a protocol that associates an OP_RETURN with ownership, > and ownership could then be transferred via lightning by sending associated > currency via lightning. Robustness improvements seem possible. > > > > 1. If possible, could the OP_RETURN be divisible? Could one person > > send a piece of a OP_RETURN just like one can do right now on the > primary > > ledger or would it need to maintain the OP_RETURN code intact? > > > > OP_RETURNs themselves do not have ownership, but you can define a > protocol > that gives them divisible ownership, including via lightning. > > I?m assuming that, if possible, this would need a protocol layer parallel > > to Bitcoin/Lightning that stores and reads all Bitcoin transactions and > the > > ones which involve the node's channels as well as the ones with the > > OP_RETURN, just like CounterParty does right now with the primary ledger. > > > > Thank in advance. > > ?? > > > > *H?ctor C?rdenas*@hcarpach > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bitcoin-dev mailing list > > bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20211206/f3253ec4/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:31:29 +0100 > From: Martin Habov?tiak <martin.habovst...@gmail.com> > To: Karl <gmk...@gmail.com> > Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion > <bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, lightning-dev > <lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, H?ctor Jos? C?rdenas > Pacheco <hcarp...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] Sending OP_RETURN via > Bitcoin Lightning > Message-ID: > < > calkkcjas_pf7un45cjyfg8j9cbk8ptkn4iyal81ttlsrnnk...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I recommend you researching RGB: https://rgb-org.github.io/ > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 11:21 Karl <gmk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm not a bitcoin developer. > > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 5:05 AM H?ctor Jos? C?rdenas Pacheco via > bitcoin-dev < > > bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I?ve been thinking about how OP_RETURN is being used to create and trade > >> NFTs on Bitcoin (think RarePepes, SoG and other new ones) and was > wondering > >> if it?s possible to > >> > > > > Do you have a link to any of these protocols? > > > > make transactions with this opcode via Lightning. > >> > >> More specific questions could be: > >> > >> 1. Can opcodes like OP_RETURN be inside a channel?s opening or > >> closing transaction? > >> 2. If so, could that OP_RETURN change hands within that channel or > >> network of channels? > >> > >> OP_RETURNs do not have ownership according to the bitcoin network. It > is > > not hard to define a protocol that associates an OP_RETURN with > ownership, > > and ownership could then be transferred via lightning by sending > associated > > currency via lightning. Robustness improvements seem possible. > > > > > >> 1. If possible, could the OP_RETURN be divisible? Could one person > >> send a piece of a OP_RETURN just like one can do right now on the > primary > >> ledger or would it need to maintain the OP_RETURN code intact? > >> > >> OP_RETURNs themselves do not have ownership, but you can define a > > protocol that gives them divisible ownership, including via lightning. > > > > I?m assuming that, if possible, this would need a protocol layer parallel > >> to Bitcoin/Lightning that stores and reads all Bitcoin transactions and > the > >> ones which involve the node's channels as well as the ones with the > >> OP_RETURN, just like CounterParty does right now with the primary > ledger. > >> > >> Thank in advance. > >> ?? > >> > >> *H?ctor C?rdenas*@hcarpach > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> bitcoin-dev mailing list > >> bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/attachments/20211206/d86e56cb/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Lightning-dev Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4 > ******************************************** > -- ~ John Carvalho Schedule: https://calendly.com/bitcoinerrorlog Chat: https://t.me/bitcoinerrorlog Social: https://twitter.com/bitcoinerrorlog
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