Hi Matt, I think you're blurring two things, the additional medical risk/vaccination due to the geographical area selected and the health coverage from the employer / insurer of your country or origin. The first one is more a matter of careful country selection, I've never had to do vaccinations for all the countries I've visited on the african continent. The second one about health coverage already applies if you're a European visiting the US or even a US visiting some European countries.
If you do not wish developer meetings on the continent, I understand. Afterall, if my memory is correct you were not present at Zurich 2020, where many Lightning developers were present and all major implementations included, and good advances were made on topics (e.g the initial Taproot integration list). No one is essential in Lightning development. That said, thanks for your feedback, it's an experienced one. Signal group created with Matt and me inside, I'll probe other senior Lightning devs wishing to be part of the summit organizing committee. Best, Antoine Le lun. 21 août 2023 à 02:49, Matt Corallo <lf-li...@mattcorallo.com> a écrit : > Sadly, the african continent doesn't only come with additional travel time > and visa effort. It also > generally carries additional medical risk/vaccination schedules depending > on your > employer/insurer/country of origin. > > I don't think I'll be attending any developer meetings on the continent, > though if I'm attending a > large conference and meeting lots of folks using Bitcoin and developing on > top of it who I can't > meet elsewhere, I'd weigh the costs differently. > > Matt > > On 8/20/23 6:40 PM, Antoine Riard wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > > > I fully understand the concern about the additional requirements for > travel, which isn't well-served > > by direct international flights and be conservative with people's time. > > Though there are few observations, I still think doing a summit on the > africa continent will take > > less accumulated travel time than past destinations like Tokyo (CoreDev > 2018) or Adelaide (LN Summit > > 2018). > > > > On the additional requirements here the ones for French / US / UK > passport holders: > > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_French_citizens > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_French_citizens> > > - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_United_States_citizens > > < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_United_States_citizens > > > > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_British_citizens > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_British_citizens> > > > > Visa-free countries for the intersection of the three you have Morocco, > Senegal, Cameroon and South > > Africa, already visited few from this list. > > Note, a country with a strong Bitcoin local community like Algeria is > excluded from the intersecting > > list. > > > > Indeed the main motivation to schedule well-ahead is to give a buffer > time to manage the complexity > > of additional operational requirements. > > > > On the latest concern, about the Zurich 2020 organization none of the > members of the organizing > > committee were living in this city iirc. However few of the members were > Swiss themselves, which > > indeed is quite nice for the organisation. Already in touch with local > Bitcoiners with a track > > record for few countries. > > > > If you're a Lightning developer and you wish to take part in next year's > summit organization feel > > free to reach out if you want to contribute to the organization. > > I'll start a summit organization Signal group and throw Matt inside as > he's quite experienced about > > open-source events and has opinions on a lot of things. > > > > Best, > > Antoine > > > > Le lun. 21 août 2023 à 01:16, Matt Corallo <lf-li...@mattcorallo.com > > <mailto:lf-li...@mattcorallo.com>> a écrit : > > > > While more lightning developers attending conference(s) in a more > diverse set of countries, > > including on the african continent, sounds like a great idea, the > usual LN summit is an invite-only > > developer meeting. Hosting it in a country with additional > requirements for travel and which isn't > > as well-served by direct international flights doesn't carry any > benefit and only has additional > > costs on peoples' time. > > > > I'm also admittedly a little dubious of any summit or conference > organized by someone who does not > > live in the city in which it is being hosted. > > > > Matt > > > > On 8/18/23 4:02 PM, Antoine Riard wrote: > > > Hi lightning devs, > > > > > > Follow up on next year LN Summit organization: > > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-June/003994.html > > < > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-June/003994.html > > > > > < > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-June/003994.html > > < > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-June/003994.html > >> > > > > > > After browsing the travel advisories, social situations of a good > number of geographical > > areas in > > > Africa, and chatting with the Built with Bitcoin folks on the > state of the local Bitcoin > > community > > > country by country, I would like to propose Ghana as a place of > location for next year's June > > 2024 > > > LN Summit. > > > > > > As announced in my previous mail, I was thinking to survey > privately the usual Lightning Summit > > > attendees on the choice of location to collect a first wave of > feedback. After really digging > > into > > > the travel advisories country by country, it turns out if we're > looking for European / US-like > > > standards of travel for a group of people of 30/40 attendees, we > start to be more operationally > > > constrained. > > > > > > Ghana has already hosted last year's Afro Bitcoin Conference and > they're doing an edition > > again in > > > December of this year [0]. I've never been to Ghana so I'm > currently planning to attend this > > year's > > > 2023 conference to get myself familiar with the ground and that > way ensure smooth preparation > > for > > > next year's June LN Summit. From my Zurich 2020 experience, it's > good to organize Bitcoin > > technical > > > events in a country where you're familiar a bit. > > > > > > As a backup plan, I think we could consider countries like > Morocco or Algeria, which given > > current > > > composition of the organization committee is straightforward due > to the french-speaking > > communities, > > > or South Africa, which is itself beautiful and where they're > doing Bitcoin events [1], though > > this > > > latter is very far far away in term of international travel > logistic. > > > > > > Note for Ghana, from a quick look it sounds like a visa will be > required for all Schengen, US > > and > > > Commonwealth passport holders will need a travel visa. ECOWAS > passport holders sound to be > > exempted. > > > > > > In terms of financial resources, Zurich 2020 hard logistical > organization cost was around > > 10$k. My > > > pleasure to cover the LN Summit 2024 hard logistical cost out of > my pocket. > > > > > > For clarity, I'm speaking about the LN Summit which is an > invitation-only event reserved to the > > > Lightning developers and researchers based on technical > proof-of-work of which the previous > > edition > > > happens in Adelaide 2018, Berlin 2019 (one evening event on the > sport), Zurich 2021 (covid > > edition), > > > Oakland 2022 and NYC 2023. > > > > > > This is _not_ to be confused with the Lightning conference which > has been traditionally > > organized by > > > Fulmo, and of which the latest _official_ edition has been Berlin > 2019 iirc. > > > > > > As it has been suggested by nully0x, it can be interesting to > organize a co-event with Qala > > Africa, > > > I'm already in touch with few folks there due to FOSS things and > I'll reach out of band to them, > > > though I'll take personal accountability on the LN Summit, _only, > not any other satellite > > event around. > > > > > > Overall, I think it's wise for the 1st protocol dev event > (CoreDev included [2]) beyond the US / > > > Europe / Australia / Japan geographical boundaries to plan well > ahead and start small. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Antoine > > > > > > [0] https://www.afrobitcoin.org <https://www.afrobitcoin.org> < > https://www.afrobitcoin.org > > <https://www.afrobitcoin.org>> > > > [1] https://adoptingbitcoin.org/capetown-2024/ < > https://adoptingbitcoin.org/capetown-2024/> > > <https://adoptingbitcoin.org/capetown-2024/ < > https://adoptingbitcoin.org/capetown-2024/>> > > > [2] https://coredev.tech/pastevents.html < > https://coredev.tech/pastevents.html> > > <https://coredev.tech/pastevents.html < > https://coredev.tech/pastevents.html>> > > > > > > Le ven. 23 juin 2023 à 10:39, Antoine Riard < > antoine.ri...@gmail.com > > <mailto:antoine.ri...@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:antoine.ri...@gmail.com <mailto:antoine.ri...@gmail.com>>> > a écrit : > > > > > > Hi lightning devs, > > > > > > Proposing myself to organize next year's LN Summit in Africa, > with a rough date somewhere in > > > June 2024. > > > > > > There are a lot of reasons to hold a summit there. Africa is > a beautiful continent, there > > is a > > > rich cultural and historical past, a lot of fragmentation in > the financial systems of the 56 > > > states that can be solved with a compatible payment protocol, > an explosive demography > > with a lot > > > of energy to get things done, more and more Lightning > developers coming from this > > continent and > > > formidable perspectives to grow "full-stack" local Lightning > economies. > > > > > > Usually, we don't announce the organization of CoreDev or LN > Summit on open communication > > > channels, as there is a goal of serenity of the engineering > conversation (and as we would > > like > > > to avoid being trolled by BSV fans or tabloid-style of > journalism). For this time, given the > > > operational challenges can be a bit more complex (e.g visas > travels, "tropical weather"), > > better > > > to have this announced far ahead [0]. Operations and > financial resources should be okay, > > though > > > nice if we have a multi-stakeholder approach, "skin in the > game" from a bunch of folks is the > > > best way to guarantee fairness and transparency of the > process. > > > > > > If you have any objection to my personna contribution to the > organization of the LN > > Summit 2024, > > > thanks for letting me know during the coming weeks, either in > public or on this thread, or > > > privately by mail. As usual, I'll do my best to set strong > transparency and accountability > > > standards. In matters of open-source, talk is cheap, better > to speak by your actions. > > > > > > With any project, the best advice is always to start small, > so the first step sounds to be to > > > survey all the countries with reasonable operational > stability that can fit the location > > > (Algeria, Ghana, Senegal, Nigeria, etc). I'll look into it > and share the feedback > > privately to > > > the Lightning attendees (based on neutral and technical proof > of works heuristics), > > somewhere at > > > the end of the summer. > > > > > > Setted up a dedicated communication endpoint for this: > lnsummit2...@ariard.me > > <mailto:lnsummit2...@ariard.me> > > > <mailto:lnsummit2...@ariard.me <mailto:lnsummit2...@ariard.me > >> > > > > > > If you're a LN dev, don't hesitate to reach out if you wanna > to be part of the organization, > > > this is a good opportunity to transfer knowledge between > generations of contributors. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Antoine > > > > > > [0] Already co-organized the CoreDev event in Zurich back in > 2021 so I do have already the > > > operational templates. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto: > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev> > > >
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