Hi Folks

I've been reading the posts and wondering exactly where to break into the discussion. 
It 
seems that most of the posts have been about the levels, DQ, what Pirsig said, what 
Pirsig 
meant, subject-object metaphysics etc. But to most people who have never read either 
Zen 
or Lila and aren't particularly interested in philosophy this will be too abstract. 
This approach may be useful when talking to people who think in a particular way, are 
interested by abstract problems or get pleasure from mental gymnastics. It's also a 
very 
useful approach to continue in order to get a toe in the door of academia.
However, as an example, most of the people I work with are too busy or too 
disinterested 
to want to bother with this except for maybe a few minutes, whilst having a cigarette 
or 
waiting for some code to compile - an interesting distraction! As soon as they go back 
to 
what they were doing they forget all about it. But these are the people who may 
benefit 
most, in a practical way, from the core principle of the MOQ - VALUE!!!
Almost anyone you talk to will understand this, as it is something that permeates 
their 
lives - often as the perceived loss of it. It seems to be a recurrent theme that turns 
up in all 
sorts of conversations. How do you give values to your kids, and what values. Are you 
getting value for money when you do the shopping. Maybe this sounds trite, but think 
about it! What was it that drew you to Pirsig and his writing. 

Pirsig described value as the core of reality. A Value-centred universe!!

If you start a description of the MOQ try the above for an opener. It's surprising the 
reaction it gets.  Initially, forget all the clever stuff about the levels and the 
unknowable 
Zen reality of DQ. Forget the SOM bogieman. Get into a conversation about value and 
values. Introduce Quality after a while, as ordinary Non-Pirsigian people understand 
this 
concept as well. They may not understand it in the Pirsigian sense (assuming they 
haven't 
read the books) but then again do we fully understand it yet?
Value and Quality matter to most people I've come across. They want to know why values 
have changed in their lifetime and why ???  if they're so real. 
You can lead them into the MOQ ideas a bit at a time - don't rush them, it's not a 
race and 
they don't want to feel put upon. When they're ready they'll come across.

Horse




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