Graham Percival <[email protected]> writes: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 05:09:06PM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote: >> >> Seriously, I don't really see the point of a separate mailing list. >> We are already so used to long discussions on lilypond-devel. Also, >> I expect a fairly large portion of the current subscribers to >> lilypond-devel would join in on the new list. > > However, some members of lilypond-devel are actively hostile to > novel crazy ideas. I mean, I knew that there was no way that > people would like the /.\ prefix-postfix-neutral idea. It was an > experiment to see whether we could have a polite discussion about > a crazy idea.
If you consider using the developer list as a social experimenting ground polite in itself... > Some people _did_ discuss it nicely, but others over-reacted and nuked > the idea with prejudice. I cannot in good faith encourage other > people to submit ideas if they're going to be received in that manner. > Note that crazy ideas are not necessarily "obviously crazy" to the > person suggesting it. > > I see three options: > > 1. social solution: force a radical "culture shift" on -devel > overnight so that we can have open discussions. I think that > things have gotten better over the past few months, but it's still > not good enough. In what respect is a discussion where voicing strong disapproval is prohibited "open"? > 2. technical solution: create a new mailing list for such > discussions. People wanting to do serious work without > distractions will simply not sign up for the new mailing list; > those wanting to discuss potentially ideas will do so on the new > mailing list. > > 3. alternate: hold these discussions on the -user list. I > wouldn't mind that option, actually. And what happens when discussions in some "opinioned experts unwelcome" forum come to a conclusion that will subsequently get the shaft in the developer list? I honestly doubt that we will be able to counter the "developers don't take the users serious" impression you want to avoid. I don't have a good answer for the problem you try addressing, but I doubt your answers would work better than what we have. -- David Kastrup _______________________________________________ lilypond-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
