Apologies in advance for the long post. I've tried many different ways of
applying your advice without success...
Based on your advice to make notes self-consistent (either \transpose or
\transposition, but not both), I initially tried eliminating \transpose and
(applying the same reasoning to clarinetNotes) tried the following:
\version "2.18.2"
trumpetNotes = \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
}
\addQuote "trumpet" \trumpetNotes
clarinetNotes = \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
g4 |
\quoteDuring #"trumpet" { s4 }
g4 |
g4 |
}
altoSaxNotes = \transpose c g \clarinetNotes
<<
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "trumpet" } \trumpetNotes
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "clarinet" } \clarinetNotes
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "alto sax" } \altoSaxNotes
>>
The trumpet and clarinet parts are fine. The alto sax part correctly
transposes beats 1, 3 and 4, but the 2nd beat prints a C instead of a G.
So, I thought maybe it had to do with 'altoSaxNotes = \transpose ...', so I
tried it by having altoSaxNotes quote the clarinet part as follows:
\version "2.18.2"
trumpetNotes = \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
}
\addQuote "trumpet" \trumpetNotes
clarinetNotes = \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
g4 |
\quoteDuring #"trumpet" { s4 }
g4 |
g4 |
}
\addQuote "clarinet" \clarinetNotes
altoSaxNotes = {
\transposition ees
\quoteDuring #"clarinet" { s1 }
}
<<
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "trumpet" } \trumpetNotes
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "clarinet" } \clarinetNotes
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "alto sax" } \altoSaxNotes
>>
Again, the trumpet and clarinet parts are correct. The alto sax part
correctly prints beats 1, 3 and 4, but beat 2 is missing/invisible.
Ok, so you said the other way you suggested to make notes self-consistent
was to use \transpose and eliminate \transposition. However, based on your
later statement that (paraphrasing) "\transposition must be correct in the
passage being quoted into", I don't think it would be correct to remove
\transposition from inside the clarinetNotes. Ya, I know that introduces
self-consistency problem with clarinetNotes (see further on). Anyway, this
is what I tried:
\version "2.18.2"
trumpetNotes = \transpose c bes \relative c'' {
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
}
\addQuote "trumpet" \trumpetNotes
clarinetNotes = \transpose c bes \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
g4 |
\quoteDuring #"trumpet" { s4 }
g4 |
g4 |
}
altoSaxNotes = \clarinetNotes
<<
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "trumpet" } \transpose bes c {
\trumpetNotes }
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "clarinet" } \transpose bes c {
\clarinetNotes }
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "alto sax" } \transpose ees c {
\altoSaxNotes }
>>
Again, the trumpet and clarinet parts are correct (well, the quoted note in
the clarinet part is up an octave, but I could deal with that if that was
the only issue). Beats 1, 3 and 4 of the alto sax part print correctly,
but beat 2 is a (high) C instead of a G.
So, going back to the concept of self-consistency in clarinetNotes, I tried
it with \transposition but not \transpose:
\version "2.18.2"
trumpetNotes = \transpose c bes \relative c'' {
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
}
\addQuote "trumpet" \trumpetNotes
clarinetNotes = \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
g4 |
\quoteDuring #"trumpet" { s4 }
g4 |
g4 |
}
altoSaxNotes = \transpose c g \clarinetNotes
<<
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "trumpet" } \transpose bes c {
\trumpetNotes }
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "clarinet" } \clarinetNotes
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "alto sax" } \altoSaxNotes
>>
Same result. Trying it with quoting into altoSaxNotes instead of explicit
\transpose:
\version "2.18.2"
trumpetNotes = \transpose c bes \relative c'' {
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
}
\addQuote "trumpet" \trumpetNotes
clarinetNotes = \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
g4 |
\quoteDuring #"trumpet" { s4 }
g4 |
g4 |
}
\addQuote "clarinet" \clarinetNotes
altoSaxNotes = {
\transposition ees
\quoteDuring #"clarinet" { s1 }
}
<<
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "trumpet" } \transpose bes c {
\trumpetNotes }
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "clarinet" } \clarinetNotes
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "alto sax" } \altoSaxNotes
>>
Trumpet and clarinet parts print correctly (would need to fix octavation on
the 2nd beat of the clarinet part). The alto sax part prints beats 1, 3
and 4 correctly, but beat 2 is invisible/missing.
I'm kind of out of ideas along these lines, so I also tried your suggestion
of changing the \addQuote to include transposition, even though "that seems
really backwards". Here it is:
\version "2.18.2"
trumpetNotes = \transpose c bes \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
c4 |
}
\addQuote "trumpet" \transpose bes c \trumpetNotes
clarinetNotes = \transpose c bes \relative c'' {
\transposition bes
g4 |
\quoteDuring #"trumpet" { s4 }
g4 |
g4 |
}
altoSaxNotes = \clarinetNotes
<<
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "trumpet" } \transpose bes c {
\trumpetNotes }
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "clarinet" } \transpose bes c {
\clarinetNotes }
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = "alto sax" } \transpose ees c {
\altoSaxNotes }
>>
Results: trumpet and clarinet parts print correctly. Alto sax is correct
on beats 1, 3 and 4, but beat 2 prints C instead of G.
I suppose there are a few permutations I haven't tried, but given that the
constant in all of these is that \quoteDuring doesn't seem to correctly
survive multiple transpositions (whether explicitly with \transpose or
implicitly due to quoting into a piece with a different \transposition),
I'm suspecting a bug in lilypond. Something along the lines of losing
track of the effective \transposition of a quoted part in the face of
further transpositions.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, and I appreciate any/all help.
-Russ
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, David Kastrup <[email protected]> wrote:
> user3871075 <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > David,
> >
> > Based on this statement from the documentation:
> >
> >
> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-parts#quoting-other-voices
> >
> > *The \quoteDuring command uses the \transposition settings of both quoted
> > and quoting parts to produce notes for the quoting part that have the
> same
> > sounding pitch as those in the quoted part.*
> >
> > it would seem to me like what I've done ought to be correct. (But I
> don't
> > deny that it's not working as I would expect! :)) Since the effective
> > transposition of trumpetNotes is c' c', then when that gets quoted into a
> > part with \transposition bes, lilypond should realized that it needs to
> > automatically \transpose c bes that particular passage from trumpetNotes.
> >
> > Regardless, I tried your various suggestions, and they do indeed fix the
> > problem in the clarinet part, but the alto sax part stubbornly prints a C
> > instead of a G. If you have the time and inclination, perhaps you could
> > post an example where all three parts print correctly...?
> >
> > Thanks again!
>
> You don't post your attempts so it is impossible to comment on them.
>
>
>
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
>
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