Hi List,

this is a somewhat specialist request, and more of a long-term project, but
I'm hoping you nice people can help me with something I'd like to do with
Lily someday.

If you've been watching the OpenLilyLib repository, you'll see that Urs has
been working on a set of tools for rendering music in just intonation. He
(quite modestly) says that it isn't ready for production, but there are
already some impressive things it can do: for one, the interface allows to
input a fraction and get back a nearest-semitone pitch with a deviation in
cents *automatically*, which is something the commercial programs don't
offer in any way (every composer I know who works with JI just inputs text
entries manually for every note, with no change in, for example, MIDI
output for ability to handle transpositions).

There's something I'd very much like to do with this, largely out of my own
(admittedly rather opinionated) view on the best means of producing
accidentals for just intonation. I'm going to assume some familiarity with
just intonation concepts, but (in short) it works like this: the
relationship between two pitches is defined in terms of the frequency
relationship, given usually as a fraction. For example, the interval of a
perfect fifth may be rendered as 3/2: that is, if I play notes with base
frequencies of 200 and 300Hz, we hear them as a (very purely tuned) fifth.
The equal-tempered one you have on a piano (ie, 7 semitones) is about two
1/100th of a semitone (called "cents" logically enough) too narrow to be
pure (ie, a 3/2 fifth is about 702 cents).

Here's my thing: I believe that the most appropriate type of accidental for
such a system is one that reflects the harmonic ratio, not the number of
steps on a scale. Flats and sharps tell us whether a pitch is lowered or
raised from its "natural" position in the scale, and just intonation
doesn't have those positions. So, I designed accidentals that graphically
reflect the harmonic ratio between a note and the tonic.

I'd like to be able to put these into Lily, and Urs tells me it can be done
by calling a draw function to draw a path. I can relatively easily make up
some paths with Inkscape and save them as SVGs, but is there a better way
to do this? The NR describes (here:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/formatting-text#graphic-notation-inside-markup)
the means to include eps files into a markup, which presumably could be
used to replace the accidental.

There are some potential complicating factors here. First, the accidentals
I use change depending on the prime factorization of the ratio involved:
for example, the ratio 9/8 (a type of whole tone) would comprise two of the
symbol for 3 (because "9/8" is really "(3*3)/8" ), which means that Urs'
interface for JI ratios would need an add-on to do prime factorization of
the ratios (which is also computationally intensive, even for relatively
simple numbers) or a means to encode ratios as lists of primes that are
then calculated to return the value in cents (that is, do the process in
reverse, starting from "(3*3)/8" and getting 9/8, which might be easier to
do).

The advantage here, though, would be this: one of the interesting things
about just intonation is that there is no theoretical limit to what kinds
of ratios you use. You could theoretically have unique signs for all the
primes you want, and then the draw function could build them on the fly.
The accidentals become modular, scaling to whatever level of complexity the
composer wants. Harry Partch writes music that tops out at the 13th
overtone, but La Monte Young has pieces with primes in the upper 300s.

So, List: this is, as I said, a somewhat long-term project, but would any
of you be willing to help me learn/do the programming necessary to develop
a system like this? I also have in mind a more general add-on to the OLL
just-intonation library: I'd like to see a set of different .ily files,
each with different sets of accidentals, which a composer could \include
into the score as needed. For example, I could write the ratios using my
system, or use a system that shows accidentals approximated to the nearest
12th-tone, with cents deviation for more exact tuning (which might be of
more relevance to keyed instruments).

I can send a few hand-drawn mock-ups of the accidentals to show what I
mean; I've been doing them by hand, but I'd really like to see them
engraved.

Thanks for the help.

Cheers,

A
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