Hi Bernard >> http://lilypond.org/unix.html before? There is a small "Install" >> section. What was missing for you? >> >> Yes I saw that, but it was missing install from shell. I really >> prefer using apt-get because I have bad experience with download >> and install because of the depencies hell.
Generally speaking, yes. But I never had problems with the lilypond shell installer. I agree an up-to-date ppa would be an interesting option for Ubuntu users. (I use one for other software.) But as always, someone would have to do it and look after it. >> So the message should be "do not us use apt-get because you will >> retrieve probably version 2.16.2" No, because a) there is nothing wrong with getting 2.16 b) you can still add newer versions, c) which version you get depends on your distribution. Ubuntu 14.04 is almost 2 years old, so yes the packaged software is old, too. For instance, Ubuntu 15.10 contains LP 2.18.2. >> - Should it mention that you can have several versions installed in >> parallel? >> >> Yes it sure does. Because I had version 2.16.2 was installed and >> Frescobaldi urge to uninstall previous version of python-ly because >> it can cause inconsistency. Unfortunately I can not recall where I >> found that info. This is very unclear. Frescobaldi versions depend on versions of python-ly. But neither the version number of Frescobaldi nor the version number of python-ly are related to the version of lilypond. So, as I mentioned you can just install Frescobaldi from the package repositories and it should come with the correct python-ly. python-ly is not lilypond. >> - Was only the Frescobaldi settings part new to you? Should it be >> mentioned? >> >> Yes it would. Installing Frescobaldi does install Lilypond, which is >> very convenient, if it was the correct Lilypond version. There is nothing wrong with this Lilypond version. It is just older than necessary. In principle you can use any LP version with any Frescobaldi version. >> Frescobaldi should mention only the old version is installed, and go >> the the Lilypond website for info how to install Lilypond 2.18.2. The Frescobaldi version in Ubuntu is not new either so why should it know about newer Lilypond versions? It just uses what you provide. > Earlier in the thread, Joram points > to http://lilypond.org/unix.html and implies that he has something to > do with its maintenance. (See below.) Not really. I am familiar enough with some maintainers and developers, that I dare to say that good suggestions on how to improve the documentation have chances to get in there. I could propose a patch if we find sensible improvements to the documentation. But so far this discussion produced more confusion than tangible proposals – at least from what I understood. What remains for me: A complete installation guide covering up-to-date versions of both Frescobaldi and Lilypond would be helpful (cf. PS). Cheers, Joram PS: I know that the following statement will not reach consensus here, so I am not sure if it makes sense to write it. But privately, this is how I see it: Most (new) users are probably not used to understand how different components of their software is related, they view it as one single system. E.g. Sibelius is the program to create, view, edit, print sib files. For non-programmers it needs some insights that Frescobaldi (GUI and IDE) is separated from Lilypond ("engine"). This is why when talking about Lilypond I sell it as Frescobaldi and only mention later that using other editors and pdf viewers is possible. Choice is good, clear recommendations are even more important for newcomers. IMHO. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
