\once \override TrillSpanner.extra-offset = #'(0 . -0.2)  That will help
with the vertical position somewhat cumbersome as you must guess the offset
value.

you can also define a function, which you can invoke where needed.

trillArrow =
\once \override TrillSpanner.bound-details.left.text = \markup {
  \concat {
    \musicglyph #"scripts.trill"
    \translate #'(0.5 . 1.0)
    \fontsize #-4
    \with-dimensions #'(0 . 1.2) #'(0 . -2)
    \↓
  }
}

That should get you going in the right direction.

regards,
Shane

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 6:22 AM Reggie <reegist...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello list. I am struggling with this. Please don't laugh I just feel like
> crying I cannot see what is right in front of me I must be. I am attempting
> to learn more deeper in lilypond and try a cadenza sort of passage. I see
> two problems I am bad at. One, how do I get the trills to be side by
> alongside? Two, I can't understand how to make piano empty system end at
> the
> same location vertical as the trill staff? What is the secret I feel so
> stupid. Thank you for your kind help. Is there any details about working
> with free music cadenza pieces? I've read the documentation section on
> cadenza mode but not in practice I'm struggling.
>
> \version "2.19.83"
> <<
>   \time 4/4
>
>   \new Staff {
>     \cadenzaOn
>     \hide Score.TimeSignature
>     r8 a'4\startTrillSpan^\markup {"senza tempo -" \italic "quasi cadenza"}
> b'\startTrillSpan\stopTrillSpan a'\startTrillSpan\stopTrillSpan
>
>     b'\startTrillSpan\stopTrillSpan
>
>
>     e'''\stopTrillSpan f'''\startTrillSpan
> e'''\startTrillSpan\stopTrillSpan
> f'''\stopTrillSpan
>     \bar "" \break
>
>     \cadenzaOff
>     \time 4/4 c''' c''' c''' c'''
>
>   }
>   \new PianoStaff {
>     <<
>       \new Staff  { \clef treble s1*2   }
>       \new Staff  { \clef bass  s1*2  }
>     >>
>
>   }
> >>
>
> \paper {
>   ragged-right = ##f
> }
>
> Chou_Wen-chungg.jpg
> <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/t5625/Chou_Wen-chungg.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

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