Hi Jean,

thank you for that font showcase! I’ll take a closer look at Profondo. However, 
its overly long bass clef looks quite unappealing to me. I wouldn’t use any of 
the others, as far as I can tell.

About what pairs with what is certainly more of a matter of taste. I find 
Emmentaler’s trill sign proportionally very big: it doesn’t fit well with the 
rest of the ensemble, something that’s more prominent with a font size of 20, 
than with smaller fonts. For the same reason I always tweak it one number 
smaller for font size 20. However, that’s not my point, we already provide an 
alternative C clef, and an alternative percussion clef. We provide four 
different ways of naming a G clef without an actual different G clef being 
used. It looks somewhat random to me.

Martín.
 -- www.martinrinconbotero.com
On 24. Oct 2020, 17:46 +0200, Jean Abou Samra <[email protected]>, wrote:
> Le 24/10/2020 à 11:47, Martín Rincón Botero a écrit :
> > Hello all,
> >
> > a few months ago in some forum I found the following snippet of a beautiful 
> > G clef (I think by Pierre Perol-Schneider) that I've been extensively using 
> > since then. Right now in the NR we have \clef G, \clef treble, \clef "G2" 
> > and \clef violin, all producing what seems to be the exact same clef. To 
> > name the exact same clef in so many ways ("G2" strikes me as unnecessary) 
> > doesn't seem to have a reasonable explanation to me. Some clefs have 
> > variants like the C clef (\clef varC). I wish Perol-Schneider's clef could 
> > be considered for inclusion into standard Lilypond, possibly named as "G2" 
> > (which would actually produce a "second" G clef) or as \clef varG. I hope 
> > he doesn't mind that I "re-publish" his code in this mailing list:
> >
> > \version "2.20.0"
> >
> > %% New treble clef defs:
> > #(define-markup-command (G_Score layout props thk mlt) (number? number?)
> >   (interpret-markup layout props
> >    (markup
> >     (#:stencil
> >      (make-path-stencil
> >       '(M  1.117 -2.778
> >         C  0.730 -2.782  0.363 -2.364 0.484 -1.981
> >         C  0.566 -1.641  1.043 -1.540 1.285 -1.786
> >         C  1.504 -1.997  1.418 -2.395 1.141 -2.513
> >         C  0.996 -2.567  0.836 -2.583 1.090 -2.614
> >         C  1.379 -2.673  1.703 -2.559 1.828 -2.278
> >         C  1.969 -1.911  1.820 -1.395 1.766 -1.024
> >         C  1.031 -1.169  0.277 -0.903 0.031 -0.196
> >         C -0.129  0.323 -0.043  0.917 0.250  1.366
> >         C  0.492  1.737  0.832  1.999 1.152  2.300
> >         C  1.070  2.886  1.000  3.468 1.203  4.034
> >         C  1.297  4.292  1.484  4.503 1.680  4.687
> >         C  1.898  4.886  2.117  4.335 2.211  4.062
> >         C  2.398  3.601  2.227  2.839 1.934  2.323
> >         C  1.816  2.105  1.637  1.929 1.457  1.757
> >         C  1.500  1.523  1.539  1.288 1.586  1.054
> >         C  2.117  1.077  2.477  0.792 2.602  0.359
> >         C  2.766 -0.134  2.516 -0.766 1.953 -0.977
> >         C  2.004 -1.423  2.160 -1.927 2.004 -2.313
> >         C  1.902 -2.567  1.656 -2.766 1.379 -2.778
> >         C  1.293 -2.798  1.203 -2.790 1.117 -2.782
> >         M  1.734 -0.919
> >         C  1.621 -0.306  1.574  0.026 1.500  0.464
> >         C  1.164  0.433  0.973  0.066 1.090 -0.220
> >         C  1.141 -0.345  1.223 -0.407 1.359 -0.485
> >         C  1.492 -0.563  1.387 -0.657 1.297 -0.618
> >         C  1.031 -0.509  0.664 -0.188 0.758  0.269
> >         C  0.816  0.569  1.059  0.917 1.398  1.023
> >         C  1.359  1.261  1.332  1.378 1.297  1.612
> >         C  0.887  1.234  0.332  0.753 0.348  0.155
> >         C  0.363 -0.532  0.746 -1.071 1.734 -0.919
> >         M  1.688  0.480
> >         C  1.762  0.105  1.844 -0.509 1.926 -0.880
> >         C  2.656 -0.462  2.438  0.534 1.688  0.480
> >         M  2.016  3.776
> >         C  1.984  4.378  1.691  4.058 1.500  3.706
> >         C  1.313  3.366  1.273  2.894 1.352  2.468
> >         C  1.945  3.066  2.031  3.409 2.016  3.776
> >         Z)
> >        thk mlt mlt #t)))))
> >
> > clefGScore = \layout {
> >         \context {
> >           \Score
> >           \override Clef.stencil =
> >             #(lambda (grob)
> >                (let* ((sz (ly:grob-property grob 'font-size 0))
> >                       (mlt (magstep sz))
> >                       (glyph (ly:grob-property grob 'glyph-name)))
> >                      (cond
> >                       ((equal? glyph "clefs.G")
> >                        (grob-interpret-markup grob
> >                         (markup #:scale(cons mlt mlt)#:G_Score 0 1)))
> >                       ((equal? glyph "clefs.G_change")
> >                        (grob-interpret-markup grob
> >                         (markup #:scale(cons mlt mlt)#:G_Score .01 .8)))
> >                       (else (ly:clef::print grob)))))
> >            \override ClefModifier.clef-alignments = #'((G 0 . .4))
> >            % Optional:
> >            %\override ClefModifier.font-series = #'bold
> >         }
> >       }
> > %% defs end.
> >
> > %% Test:
> > \clefGScore
> >
> > This code effectively modifies Emmentaler's G Clef instead of having its 
> > own separate glyph, so that using \clef treble or \clef french produces the 
> > custom clef as output. When using this clef, the following music
> >
> > { \clef G
> >   c'1
> >   \clef "G2"
> >   c'1
> >   \clef violin
> >   c'1
> >   \clef french
> >   c'1
> > }
> >
> > looks like this:
> >
> > [image]
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Martín.
> >
> > --
> > www.martinrinconbotero.com
> Hello,
> I suggest you use this font:
> https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts/scorlatti/blob/master/scorlatti-basic-example.png
> Its G clef is quite similar to the one Pierre made up. Other candidates may 
> include:
> https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts/profondo/blob/master/profondo-basic-example.png
> https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts/ross/blob/master/ross-basic-example.png
> https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts/bravura
> (Comparison attached.)
> I think the real solution to offer more stylistic alternates would be to ship 
> more fonts with the default packaging of LilyPond, because these make up 
> consistent ensembles (the G clef you sent is nice but I don't find it to pair 
> well with Emmentaler's alto clef for example). For your information, SMuFL 
> support is being worked on currently.
> Best regards,
> Jean

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