Hello David, That is a very different thing. with-outline simply tells the outputter to use a different stencil for calculating the skylines of a stencil. The problem here is that Lilypond relies on the stencil basically telling it’s extent. The problem Harm has is that this extent might be smaller than the actual size of the printed symbol.
So Harm is looking for a way to determine the acutal printed size of a symbol. And no, Lilypond does not draw this stuff internally. I mean, Lilypond relies on Ghostscript to draw it’s output. If Lilypond wanted to do this, it would need it’s own PostScript interpreter. Cheers, Valentin
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