Hi Karl, On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Karl Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, I go there (http://lilypond.org/website/text-input.html). And the > example looks quite complex, what with numerous colors, arrows, etc., > etc. Not what I want to show my mom.
I'd make these examples simpler, too. But i guess we should wait with that until the first round of GLISS is finished - for example, we may decide to use english note names by default (instead/in addition to dutch). > I totally understand the goodness and desirability of \relative. I only > question whether it is the absolute first (well, second) thing to tell > people about. As that page itself says: "Relative mode can be confusing > initially". I completely agree. I think that \relative would be better explained by a picture with arrowed explanations instead of the lengthy text description beginning with "Relative mode can be confusing initially". On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Graham Percival <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 06:20:09PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: >> >> Karl Berry wrote Friday, September 07, 2012 11:45 PM >> > The first example there looks good (and is in fact what I sent her). >> > But then the second example, instead of showing how to typeset other >> > kinds of notation, goes into \relative. Is this really the next thing >> > people want from a tutorial? I would have expected to see how to choose >> > a different clef or time signature or type of note or ... anything but >> > that. >> >> Again, a reasonable point to make, but as pretty well all the following >> examples are in relative mode and as this is usually the best one for >> beginners to use it seemed best to get this out of the way early, rather >> than teaching absolute entry only to ditch it a few pages later. > > Yes. If anything, I think we should consider making the very > first example \relative. The question is: how do you introduce \relative without describing absolute first? The first reference pitch for \relative has to be written in absolute. I was banging my head against the wall here when i was writing short Lily course (4 pages) for my fellow choir members. > (I'd also like to have an \absolute keyword so that doc examples > using it could be more explicit, +11! > http://lilypond.org/doc/stable/Documentation/learning/index > "redirects" to > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/index > The same is true of > http://lilypond.org/doc/stable/ wow! we really do have these! How come i didn't know about them?? I think it would be great to use these more often and encourage people to use them. I vaguely remember cases of users looking at too old documentation. cheers & thanks for suggestions, Janek _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
