David Kastrup wrote >> that would be very good. Discussions about concrete proposals *with* >> the code change are much different than discussions without the code. > > It also sends out a more serious variant of the message "this is > important to me" without the accompanying "so this should make you want > to do the work". It's in general much easier to get something done by > doing it than by telling others they should do it. > > And sometimes you'll find that you can make them do most of the work > anyway by asking "how would I do this?" rather than "why don't you want > to do this?".
Look David, I deeply dislike the tone you are using now. I find it extremely offensive to be accused of being lazy and simply trying to force people to do things that "are important to me". Here is why: - Most of my recent posts on LilyPond are about suggestions, improvements, standards etc. . I always add in the end of my posts that "I am not looking for a solution, I know how to solve this on my own scores via tweaks, I am merely trying to improve LilyPond" or something similar. - I write about things that I don't even use myself on my music. Since I am constantly trying out codes on LilyPond (for pure enjoyment), I may come across bugs/problems/ideas that are not even remotely relevant to my work at all. But I still spend my time creating PNG and LY files, writing posts, discussing, etc. - I am able to engrave my own work in a very satisfactory manner with LilyPond. I have my own templates prepared and I use them for everything that I write, and this templates includes my style of bar numbers, some functions I collected, etc. So as you see, I gain nothing by having some of these behaviors modified on LilyPond (I just would then cut some lines from my template). I write here because I honestly believe that by changing some things, LilyPond can become an even better program. - All my posts include clear images of problems and minimal examples whenever necessary. I am certainly not the kind of lazy user that posts no code and no image, or that paste a code of 2000 lines here. - I get nothing, absolutely NOTHING for reading, answering and posting here. I consider myself a volunteer here. - I am not telling people what they should do. I simply started a discussion about notation and what are the best solutions. If people agree on a best solution for a certain engraving problem, then maybe it is worth to have it implemented. I am no programmer on this level and on this particular case I do not know how to improve it. - But if you pay attention to my original post, I write "I am not too sure if I do agree", "Does anyone knows if what I am saying here is correct?", "Could someone check on Elaine Gould's book, or some other engraving book? ", "I would be very glad to hear what you all think about this". Clearly I am inviting people for a discussion, not to "work for me to solve a problem". So are we clear on why I post here or not? It is very frustrating to have such reactions directed to me, and it is not the 1st time I hear something like this. You don't agree with my opinions on what should be or shouldn't be modified? Fine. I never wanted to force any one to do things on my own way. Regards, Gilberto -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Beam-positions-and-time-signature-spacing-tp153538p153719.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
