W dniu 03.06.2011 21:17, Evan Broder pisze:
Ubuntu has gotten quite a bit of flack from the debhelper maintainer
for making independent changes in the past ([1], [2]), and doing so
again seems like a bad plan.
Perhaps posting this from my @canonical.com address was a bad idea. I'm
not doing this as a Canonical employee, nor as a ubuntu developer. I'm
doing this as an upstream (actually working on Linaro tools) that uses
Debian/Ubuntu as the delivery platform.
My response below may seem to be quite harsh but I hope to keep it factual.
For context. I wrote dh_splitpackage yesterday after being upset with
dh_install and failing to find any packages that would do what I wanted
easily. I did it while packaging the tools I'm developing daily so that
my users can install them easily. Nothing in this has any relation to my
employer, Canonical, Ubuntu or Linaro. I made this and the fault, if
any, is mine.
dh_install already has a --fail-missing option. It seems that this
would cover half of your use case,
To the best of my knowledge dh_install cannot do what I wish. Well, I
could copy file by file, directory by directory, carefully observing the
right paths, adding exclusion patterns and so on.
That's not my goal.
My goal is to split a package (which I understand as "move each file
from debian/tmp into the appropriate sub-package") easily, without too
much, error-prone, shell scripting and without doubts I missed something
and it's actually failing silently (or will fail silently when upstream
files move around later).
though I gather there are some
outstanding issues with it ([3]). CDBS also has a list-missing target,
though it doesn't seem that it can be made to fail the build, and also
doesn't cover your overlapping files issue.
See, that's not solving my problem.
It seems like it would be much more productive to work with Joey to
try and fix dh_install --fail-missing, and possibly add a new
--fail-on-overlap option or something.
Productive for who? I never even knew Joey (no disrespect to him). I
solved my problem and shared the solution. My problem is solved. Better
yet, I did not make the general problem worse.
Look at this as a contribution to possible pool of solutions that the
greater Debian community may choose to adopt.
But in any case, I think that
adding a new debhelper script without consulting Joey at all will hurt
Ubuntu's image in Debian's eyes, and that's a bad thing.
I'm sorry I did not know Joey. Perhaps if I was working on packaging
lots of 3rd party software I would get know him eventually. Should that
prevent me (or anyone) from coming up with a good technical solution to
a problem? Even if dh_splitpackage will rot in the internet archive it
_did_ solve my problem and I _did_ share the solution hoping for the best.
Now for some rants of my own:
Let's play a game that I did knew Joey or other dh_* maintainers.
IMHO engaging in platform development would be pointless. It might end
up being political. It would most likely drag on and on, possibly never
reaching a consensus. It might require me to rewrite the script in perl,
shell or another language. And it could easily fail.
Why would I engage in any of that? Why would any upstream do? (and see
how friendly upstream I am to even share my solution with anyone, do you
think random upstream developer would?). Debian is an insanely complex
political being, with many rules that are fully versed only by people
that dwell in this environment for many years. That's not a good ISV
environment. Perhaps this is not a popular view but IMHO it's rather
true (why would I be writing this email otherwise?)
Getting involved in fixing the platform the way Debian maintainers and
many of my colleagues at Canonical do would be diverging from my goals.
I'm an upstream working on a project. This project is not Debian.
Getting involved with Debian, dh_* maintainers, authors and
contributors, while noble, would prevent me from attaining my goal on a
predictable and timely basis, which is to get the software I'm working
on into the hands of my users.
End of rant.
Now I understand that you had no bad intentions towards me and this is
all caused by me posting from @canonical.com without giving any kind of
explanation on why I did this.
Sincerely
Zygmunt Krynicki
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