I am familiar with the movies <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CR2DakQ9_et2XzwkdgphSOwK/https%3A%2F%2Fpairlist9.pair.net%2Fmailman%2Fprivate%2Flincoln%2F2024-December%2F067572.html>, including this one.
This particular movie has nothing to do with the people of Gaza at all. It's a movie that promotes a conspiracy theory that the Jewish people "secretly control" the US government. And Mr Low's flier for the film takes things a step further, implying that Lincoln is also vulnerable to "secret Jewish control." The movie's conclusion is that people should do what they can to prevent Jews everywhere from seeking political power like other identity groups do. Would Mr Low and Ms Mattes also encourage us to watch QAnon propaganda videos, so we can "make up our own minds"? Those videos were also based on lies, though I've heard that the filmography of them was quite convincing, leading a lot of people to believe their nonsense. ᐧ On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 4:59 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: > It is the responsibility of those who object to organize/ sponsor/ host > what you describe. > > How can anyone condemn these films without seeing them? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2025, at 4:49 PM, Jane Appell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you to all who are speaking out very articulately. It is valuable to > have views aired in the open. I particularly agree with the statement that > there is a difference between anti semitism and the criticizing of > Israel's political stance. This dilemma has caused a lot of grief inside > the liberal Jewish community as well as in the world. We all need to be > able to think critically, but it is too easy to revert to simplistic > thinking. > > My objection to the particular films that have been shown is that they > give a partial picture of the entire situation. They not inherently bad > films, but they miss perspective when shown separately to a group of people > who may or may not have a well-rounded historical, emotional and > political perspective of the situation. This is particularly the case since > October 7 of last year. I believe the films would be more valuable as part > of a well rounded approach to the Issues that present themselves in Israel > and Palestine--perhaps a series of films with a variety of > viewpoints, followed by discussion that can examine all aspects of what > has been happening. Otherwise these films run the risk of perpetuating a > black-white view of the situation, which I believe is potentially dangerous. > > Jane > *Jane Appell, Ph.D.* > 781-259-1049 > www.janeappell.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE - The information in this transmission is intended > only for the individual indicated and may include confidential and > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or the > taking of any action relevant to the contents of this transmission are > prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender. > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 3:37 PM Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Definitely skip the "Zionist >> conspiracy theory" movies. >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 15:11 Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> All, >>> We have heard from a number of very articulate voices as to concerns >>> over the GRALTA series >>> Jonathan has told us what he thinks we need to alerted to regarding this >>> upcoming movie. >>> As Rachel reminds us, this is one voice. >>> >>> The only way to sort some of the statements out is to go view and >>> critique the movies ourselves. >>> New aware and be sensitive. >>> >>> I trust we are educated and sophisticated enough to reach informed >>> conclusions on our own. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 17, 2025, at 2:32 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I genuinely appreciate your earnestness, and you make a great point for >>> why anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic: Criticism of Israel's actions >>> *is* different from criticizing Israel's right to exist as a Jewish >>> state, which is typically leveled at it only because it is Jewish, as in >>> these movies. >>> >>> *A nation is not required to be perfect in order to be legitimate* >>> (see: USA, Canada, England, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, not to >>> mention China, Syria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc). This is what is so >>> dangerous about these movies and speakers. They criticize not only Israel's >>> actions (in a highly biased and inaccurate way), but also claim that the >>> Jewish people therefore do not deserve equal rights to political power or >>> self-determination the way that other people do. By creating a "Jews bad, >>> Arabs good" narrative, not only do the movies falsely demonize the Jewish >>> people, they rob everyone of the opportunity to take a broader perspective. >>> >>> I think this is the healthiest back-and-forth we've had on this topic so >>> far. Thanks, Rachel. >>> ᐧ >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 2:18 PM Rachel Marie Schachter < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I know you’re not calling for censorship. I do think that some other >>>> responses on LincolnTalk were saying this series shouldn’t be allowed to >>>> take place. >>>> >>>> To answer you directly — I believe, and work daily to live into the >>>> belief, that any speech or actions against Jewish people based on being >>>> Jewish is absolutely wrong, which isn’t anywhere near a strong enough word. >>>> I don’t know you and you don’t know me, so I can’t convince you of that >>>> over email, and I’m not trying to. >>>> >>>> When people trying to criticize Israel, a political power, conflate >>>> that criticism with demonization of all Jewish people, it delegitimizes any >>>> argument being made. Period. There are people advocating for the people of >>>> Palestine who are working hard to not do that, and to actively combat it. I >>>> was trying to agree as someone who believes in a free Palestine that >>>> antisemitism isn’t somehow suddenly fine, and you’re right, a lot of the >>>> loudest voices are acting like it is. And I wanted to remind people that no >>>> one person is the voice of a movement or viewpoint. >>>> >>>> Thanks for taking me at face value and having a genuine conversation. >>>> That’s all I’m trying to do. >>>> >>>> Rachel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 9:15 AM Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nobody is calling for censorship. However, these movies (with which I >>>>> happen to be familiar >>>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CRxaqkMJySZHSrNlWQjEey_U/https%3A%2F%2Fpairlist9.pair.net%2Fmailman%2Fprivate%2Flincoln%2F2024-December%2F067572.html>) >>>>> each promote the delegitimization of equal rights for the Jewish people in >>>>> different ways, whether opposing their right to free speech, to >>>>> political power, or to self-determination. And so they are being called >>>>> out >>>>> for promoting hatred against a minority group. >>>>> >>>>> You say that calling out antisemitism in any movement is important, >>>>> and I agree with you, but you haven't yet said what that means to you. >>>>> Which beliefs, speech, or actions against the Jewish people do you oppose, >>>>> and which beliefs, speech, or actions against the Jewish people do you not >>>>> oppose? >>>>> ᐧ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 7:07 PM Rachel Marie Schachter < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I apologize if this falls in the category of something that shouldn't >>>>>> be continued on LincolnTalk, but I don't want to respond to you >>>>>> privately, >>>>>> Steve (Brown), and have you think that I'm saying something privately >>>>>> that >>>>>> I wouldn't be willing to say publicly. I've also had this general idea >>>>>> floating around my brain for a while, and since I don't know you >>>>>> personally, I think it makes more sense to respond on LincolnTalk. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to acknowledge your pain and trauma, your lived experience, >>>>>> and the very true and real history and present rise in antisemitism in >>>>>> America, including in our town and locally. I truly hope it doesn't make >>>>>> that seem insincere to say I just want to remind people that Steve Low is >>>>>> just one person, GRALTA is just one organization made up of more than one >>>>>> person who I assume don't all share exactly the same viewpoints, and not >>>>>> everyone who believes in a free Palestine (myself included, and I have >>>>>> for >>>>>> a long time) approaches their advocacy with antisemitic rhetoric, by >>>>>> conflating Zionism (which I don't believe has a simple cut-and-dry >>>>>> definition, but I'm also just one person) with the state of Israel with >>>>>> Jewish people in general. Steve Low obviously doesn't believe he's doing >>>>>> that, and I'm not here to argue that one way or the other. There *is* a >>>>>> ton of >>>>>> antisemitic rhetoric within factions of movements advocating for a free >>>>>> Palestine. It's not every person or every organization, but it absolutely >>>>>> exists, and it shouldn't, and it detracts from everyone's goals because >>>>>> it's deflective and misguided. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my view, true liberation demands calling out antisemitism within >>>>>> *any* movement, the same way it demands calling out *any* legitimately >>>>>> harmful rhetoric. I don't believe in censoring the series (for >>>>>> transparency, I haven't seen any of the films) because I don't believe in >>>>>> censorship in general. I just hope it gives literally anyone comfort to >>>>>> be >>>>>> reminded that no one person or group is the face of any movement or >>>>>> outlook, and the loudest voices are very much not necessarily the voice >>>>>> of >>>>>> a majority, let alone a consensus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rachel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 10:23 PM S Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As we ponder the implications of the question raised in the message >>>>>>> below: *“Could this happen in Lincoln?”,* we might also consider >>>>>>> once again how antisemitic rhetoric has become normalized in Lincoln. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> implication is that a Zionist conspiracy is encroaching dangerously upon >>>>>>> our town, seeking to control the media, the educational system, and the >>>>>>> government. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those who don’t see how disturbingly insensitive, offensive, >>>>>>> inflammatory and utterly frightening this sort of rhetoric is to so many >>>>>>> Jews in this town, I weep. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those like my family, who have long had our children under armed >>>>>>> guard at their schools, camps, and places of worship, who have been so >>>>>>> repeatedly traumatized by events over the course of the last 15 monhts, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> who feel so deeply the pain of all those who have suffered in the war, I >>>>>>> weep even more, as I see this town we love, once a sanctuary, succumb >>>>>>> to a >>>>>>> venomous rhetoric that is poisoning our community, and labels us as the >>>>>>> enemy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve Brown >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Stephen R. Low" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Subject: **[LincolnTalk] Reminder: GRALTA's Israel-Palestine Film >>>>>>> Series continues on Thursday (Jan 16) and Sunday (Jan 19)* >>>>>>> *Date: *January 15, 2025 at 7:03:36 PM EST >>>>>>> *To: *"Lincoln Talk" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Reply-To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *The GRALTA Foundation screens the second film in our winter film >>>>>>> series* >>>>>>> *The Lobby-USA (Part 1)**, a 2017 documentary produced by Al >>>>>>> Jazeera Investigations.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *“A superb undercover investigation”* >>>>>>> *~** Middle East Monitor **~* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Two screenings in Lincoln, MA—a weekday evening and a Sunday >>>>>>> afternoon.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - *Thursday, January 16 at 7 PM at Bemis Hall, 15 Bedford Road* >>>>>>> - *Sunday, January 19 at 2 PM at the Lincoln Public Library, 3 >>>>>>> Bedford Road* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: image004.png] >>>>>>> <https://zoa.org/2018/04/10377872-zoa-mort-klein-convinced-qatar-to-cancel-anti-semitic-al-jazeera-jewish-lobby-series/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > > <image004.png> > >
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