Or perhaps a new “Lincoln Soft Talk” - only rules are ’no bad jokes and no 
politics'….not to be redundant? :-)

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> On May 23, 2025, at 5:37 PM, steve.low <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I haven't read most of these emails,  but I thought that Hopson's was spot on.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Low
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Sara Mattes <[email protected]>
> Date: 5/23/25 5:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Justin Hopson <[email protected]>
> Cc: Listserv Listserv <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Gralta Foundation
> 
> Just delete.
> You are not obligated to read.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Justin Hopson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Why don't you all go bicker in private somewhere?
>> 
>> JCH
>> 
>> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:07 PM Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> You give GRALTA too little credit. GRALTA does not stop at criticizing 
>>> Bibi. It has consistently promoted content that advocates for the 
>>> eradication of the state of Israel and of the Jews within it. Steven Low 
>>> has publicly made a moral defense of the genocidal attack on October 7th.
>>> 
>>> Is there a line for you? Are there any actions GRALTA (or another org) can 
>>> take or statements that GRALTA (or another org) can make that would 
>>> persuade you that it is problematic?
>>> ᐧ
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 2:34 PM Kathy Madison <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> No Jonathan, I am not suggesting that the murder of ANYONE constitutes a 
>>>> legitimate criticism of Israel.
>>>> 
>>>> I AM suggesting that the wholesale slaughter of innocent people — whether 
>>>> Jewish or Palestinian — is wrong. Always.
>>>> 
>>>> My point is that if one criticizes Netanyahu’s brutal, inhumane war 
>>>> against the Palestinians people, that does not mean that one is 
>>>> antisemitic. Plenty of Israelis do not support the policies of Netanyahoo. 
>>>> That does not make them antisemitic. 
>>>> My point is that the conflation between legitimate criticism and 
>>>> perception of prejudice.
>>>> All based on a logical fallacy, a hasty generalization.
>>>> For example:
>>>> 
>>>> Netanyahu is the leader of Israel. Netanyahu is Jewish.
>>>> If you oppose Netanyahu’s leadership, then you’re antisemitic.
>>>> 
>>>> Donald Trump is an inveterate liar. Donald Trump is president of the 
>>>> United States. 
>>>> If you don’t agree with Trump’s lies, then you are a threat to national 
>>>> security.
>>>> 
>>>> Kathy Madison
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 23, 2025, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kathy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your email. Are you suggesting that the murder of Jews on 
>>>>> American soil constitutes legitimate criticism of Israel?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, nobody is attacking universities for criticizing Israel. A small 
>>>>> number of universities are being penalized for failing to self-regulate 
>>>>> attacks on Jewish students, faculty, and staff. Universities that have 
>>>>> successfully given their Jewish students equal protection under the law 
>>>>> have not been penalized. If you'd like to learn more, I encourage you to 
>>>>> read Harvard's own investigation of antisemitism on campus 
>>>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/Cb7GUGu9Paw6iBM31AXpRt3S/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harvard.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2025%2F04%2FFINAL-Harvard-ASAIB-Report-4.29.25.pdf>
>>>>>  to understand the context for what is happening there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Re your final comment: Thank you for making my point. Perhaps it would 
>>>>> have been more accurate for me to say that GRALTA promotes monsterization 
>>>>> of Jews instead of demonization.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> ᐧ
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 5:22 PM Kathy Madison via Lincoln 
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> The consequence of confusing legitimate criticism of Israel  with being 
>>>>>> antisemitic is doing untold damage. Trump  now uses the conflation to 
>>>>>> attack universities and individuals who dare to criticize Israel. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To say that Israel has brutally massacred Palestinians, including 
>>>>>> children, journalists, aid workers & refused aid to the innocent is not 
>>>>>> antisemitic. It’s a charge supported by the evidence of tens of 
>>>>>> thousands of innocent lost lives. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How do we raise awareness and seek peace if monsters are allowed to hide 
>>>>>> behind their religion/ethnicity?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kathy Madison
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > On May 22, 2025, at 3:26 PM, Seth Rosen <[email protected] 
>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Joan,
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Jonathan Sheffi has already pointed out, in great detail and rather 
>>>>>> > articulately, exactly why the propaganda films being screened in 
>>>>>> > Lincoln by Gralta are anti-Semitic.  
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > He has also made the point on numerous occasions that perpetuating 
>>>>>> > these false narratives really does have real world consequences.  It 
>>>>>> > is not innocuous as some have suggested.  And two Israeli kids 
>>>>>> > murdered by a “free Palestine activist” are an unfortunate affirmation 
>>>>>> > of his point.
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > While you and your cohort are free to attend the screenings, he too 
>>>>>> > should be free to criticize them.
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > Seth
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> >> On May 22, 2025, at 12:18 PM, Joan Kimball <[email protected] 
>>>>>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> It is both untrue and offensive to link this effort to antisemitism.
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