Dear list,

I am using binomial GLMMs (random intercept models) to determine the influences 
on determiner omission in PPs in German. Examples are "ohne groessere 
Wanderung" (without bigger, i.e. longer hike), "mit blutiger Spritze" (with 
bloody syringe). According to the grammar of count nouns, we should always find 
a determiner here, i.e ohne *eine* groessere Wanderung, mit *einer* blutigen 
Spritze.

For the purposes of this question, I'll focus on the models for the 
prepositions *unter* (under) and *mit* (with). 

The GLMMs I am using consist of categorial features, i.e. factors, one of which 
is called nominal_dep_mod (aggregated nominal dependency). This factor 
describes possible extensions of the noun in the PP, i.e. complements and 
modifiers, such as postnominal genitives, PPs, relative clauses, and complement 
clauses. The factor nominal_dep_mod has seven levels, and I am contrasting 
possible extensions with the reference level *na* (no extension). 

The GLMMs for *unter* and *mit* share the factor nominal_dep_mod, but they 
differ in the other fixed effects (partly because other fixed effects are 
relevant, and partly, as in the case of the interpretation of the prepositions, 
because the interpretations of the prepositions simply differ, see the models 
below). 

I would like to compare the odds ratios for nominal_dep_mod. If I just compare 
them, then the results are what I would expect from looking into the data: for 
one of the prepositions one level of nominal_dep_mod has a much stronger 
influence than for the other preposition: an odds ratio of 64 vs. an odds ratio 
of 4, while the other levels are on a par. This level is rc, i.e. extension by 
a relative clause. The odds ratio of 64 holds for *unter*, so that the presence 
of a relative clause makes the absence of a determiner very unlikely. For 
*mit*, it is only 4.  

My perhaps somewhat basic question is: Given the two models, can I conclude 
from comparing the odds ratios across models that the influence of 
nominal_dep_mod == rc is much stronger for *unter*, and much weaker for *mit*, 
although the other factors (random and fixed) differ? From my understanding of 
GLM(M)s, nothing speaks against this interpretation, but you'll never know ... 

I have added the two calls as well as the xtabs for nominal_dep_mod for 
reference (the feature names are a crude mix of German and English).

Thanks a lot.

With kind regards

Tibor

unter.050315.glmm@call
glmer(formula = determiner ~ nominal_dep_mod + adja_in_hit + 
   TN_LEX_nominalisierung + prep_meaning + (1 | target_noun_lemma), 
   data = unter.050315.data, family = binomial(), contrasts = list(prep_meaning 
= contr.treatment(levels(unter.050315.data$prep_meaning), 2), 
   nominal_dep_mod = contr.treatment(levels(unter.050315.data$nominal_dep_mod), 
4)))  

> xtabs(~nominal_dep_mod, unter.050315.data)
nominal_dep_mod
   ag   app   mnr    na    oc    op other    rc 
 1765     9   412  2832   116   578   260    92 


mit.050315.glmm@call
glmer(formula = determiner ~ adja_in_hit + nominal_dep_mod + 
   TN_LEX_nominalisierung + prep_meaning + TN_LEX_GN_Kommunikation + 
   TN_LEX_GN_Besitz + TN_LEX_GN_Attribut + TN_LEX_GN_Geschehen + 
   (1 | target_noun_lemma), data = mit.050315.data, family = binomial(), 
   contrasts = list(prep_meaning = 
contr.treatment(levels(mit.050315.data$prep_meaning), 14), nominal_dep_mod = 
contr.treatment(levels(mit.050315.data$nominal_dep_mod), 4)))

> xtabs(~nominal_dep_mod, mit.050315.data)
nominal_dep_mod
   ag   app   mnr    na    oc    op other    rc 
 2866   254  3413  8395   299  1068  1253   350 


                
Prof. Dr. Tibor Kiss, Sprachwissenschaftliches Institut
Ruhr-Universität Bochum D-44780 Bochum
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