I think that I mainly didn't look for the seconds command because the systemDate is a 
date object, and yet seconds does not appear in the date() entry in the 8.5 help file 
(only year, month and day).

Oh well, you live and learn :-)

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Buzz Kettles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > > why aren't these things 
>> > > documented?
>> >
>> > Well, actually that call is a good example of undocumented Lingo.
>> > [snip]
>>
>> my understanding is that this is documented
>
>Well, it's in the help - that's about as documented as it gets.
>
>- Robert


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