I can see where you're coming from Kurt, but I think it could be
argued sales pitches like Al's (and it IS a sales pitch) do have a valuable
place on the list, particularly in cases where someone needs an Xtra for a
specific function very quickly and doesn't have time to go through an
assessment process to pick the right one. You might argue that I should ask
the listees, but I'm sure you can see from this discussion the differing and
often confusing opinions that often come out of this approach. Having a
vendor come forward with a product that he knows will definitely solve your
problem is sometimes not just handy but a godsend.
I had this experience with masterApp a while back; I was well and
truly stuck trying to open files with the "open...with" construct, and
although I was fairly sure it was a run32 bug, I couldn't make any progress
(being a relative newbie), and my deadline was only a day away. The
masterApp guys were able to confirm the bug, provide a solution and offer me
excellent backup support inside 24 hours, enabling me to meet my deadline,
which I almost certainly wouldn't have if I'd gone through a protracted
discussion on the list about the pros and cons.
I think sales pitches should be tolerated if not encouraged, and
caveat emptor.
Dave
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:38:42 -0400
> From: Kurt Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: RE: Re: <lingo-l> password masking
>
> >> At least Al didn't try to sell you an xtra that masks keystrokes
> > (just
> >> keeping you honest, Al... I'm still waiting to hear how masterApp
> > does
> >> something buddy can't) :)
> >
> > 1 - and I am an honest person, always - every day.
>
> True enough. Bad use of a common phrase on my part. That was simply me
> getting tired of what I see as sales pitches on an informational list.
>
> > 2 - whether it can or cannot is really irrelevant.
>
> In this case, perhaps. Maybe you just think it's helpful to pitch
> masterApp
> every time someone asks a question about controlling things outside of
> Director. But I'm a little tired of newbies getting the pitch for a $300
> xtra to do something they can accomplish with Buddy for free (or, if they
> need more capability, a semi-capable liscense for $75, fully liscensed
> Buddy
> for $150). Lists like these are about information sharing (which you do
> your
> share of, and you do help people find solutions to their coding problems
> with most of your posts... I just think you cross a line from time to
> time)
> - - not about sales.
>
> I don't want to be antagonistic here, but I do take exception to sales
> pitches in this forum.
>
> I don't think you're serving the list membership in those cases, unless
> you
> also state that Buddy has a similar function, if it does. If you don't
> reference the competing product, then you are selling, and selling
> shouldn't
> be a purpose of this list. So, I put the question again... what makes
> masterApp worth twice the price?
>
> Lots of people endorse Buddy on this list. Because we use it, it's easy,
> and
> it's stable. None of of have financial ties to it. We just like it. And we
> would like to hear if a competitor can outdo it. So, sell to us, the
> experienced... don't push your product on someone who doesn't know any
> better, unless you can point out the advantage of your product over the
> competitor's.
>
> 2 cents,
> Kurt
>
>
>
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