well, we always get screwed in the end don't we. Whoever the politician is in power, they screw us. We only get the politics of cynical distraction - e.g a Republic referendum - when a real referendum on empowerment that mattered would be on whether politicians have the right to screw us like this.
Putin was always right and still is: if elections made any difference they wouldn't be allowed. On 16/11/2013 9:47 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Link mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Link digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Trans-Pacific Partnership IP Chapter Leaked > ([email protected]) > 3. Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (Frank O'Connor) > 4. Re: Android mobile phone antivirus? (Craig Sanders) > 5. Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement > ([email protected]) > 6. 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Re: Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (Richard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:35:18 GMT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [LINK] Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > According to Wikileaks, it looks like Australia, and the Creative Commons, > are about to be screwed (eg, new international courts with secret evidence) > and also we > will screw our neighboring countries even worse: Quote: "Julian > Assange emphasises that a “cringingly obsequious” Australia is the nation > most likely to support the hardline position of US negotiators against > other countries .." > > Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) > > http://wikileaks.org/tpp/ > > > Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft > text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property > Rights Chapter. > > The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations > representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. > > The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief > Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. > > The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial > chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, > publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. > > Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and > disagreements between all 12 prospective member states. > > The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP > (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama > initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP > will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP. Both pacts exclude China. > > Since the beginning of the TPP negotiations, the process of drafting and > negotiating the treaty’s chapters has been shrouded in an unprecedented > level of secrecy. Access to drafts of the TPP chapters is shielded from the > general public. Members of the US Congress are only able to view selected > portions of treaty-related documents in highly restrictive conditions and > under strict supervision. > > It has been previously revealed that only three individuals in each TPP > nation have access to the full text of the agreement, while 600 ’trade > advisers’ – lobbyists guarding the interests of large US corporations such > as Chevron, Halliburton, Monsanto and Walmart – are granted privileged > access to crucial sections of the treaty text. > > The TPP negotiations are currently at a critical stage. > > The Obama administration is preparing to fast-track the TPP treaty in a > manner that will prevent the US Congress from discussing or amending any > parts of the treaty. > > Numerous TPP heads of state and senior government figures, including > President Obama, have declared their intention to sign and ratify the TPP > before the end of 2013. > > WikiLeaks’ Editor-in-Chief Julian Assange stated: “The US administration is > aggressively pushing the TPP through the US legislative process on the > sly.” The advanced draft of the Intellectual Property Rights Chapter, > published by WikiLeaks on 13 November 2013, provides the public with the > fullest opportunity so far to familiarise themselves with the details and > implications of the TPP. > > The 95-page, 30,000-word IP Chapter lays out provisions for instituting a > far-reaching, transnational legal and enforcement regime, modifying or > replacing existing laws in TPP member states. > > The Chapter’s subsections include agreements relating to patents (who may > produce goods or drugs), copyright (who may transmit information), > trademarks (who may describe information or goods as authentic) and > industrial design. > > The longest section of the Chapter – ’Enforcement’ – is devoted to > detailing new policing measures, with far-reaching implications for > individual rights, civil liberties, publishers, internet service providers > and internet privacy, as well as for the creative, intellectual, biological > and environmental commons. > > Particular measures proposed include supranational litigation tribunals to > which sovereign national courts are expected to defer, but which have no > human rights safeguards. > > The TPP IP Chapter states that these courts can conduct hearings with > secret evidence. > > The IP Chapter also replicates many of the surveillance and enforcement > provisions from the shelved SOPA and ACTA treaties. > > The consolidated text obtained by WikiLeaks after the 26-30 August 2013 TPP > meeting in Brunei – unlike any other TPP-related documents previously > released to the public – contains annotations detailing each country’s > positions on the issues under negotiation. > > Julian Assange emphasises that a “cringingly obsequious” Australia is the > nation most likely to support the hardline position of US negotiators > against other countries, while states including Vietnam, Chile and Malaysia > are more likely to be in opposition. > > Numerous key Pacific Rim and nearby nations – including Argentina, Ecuador, > Colombia, South Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines and, most significantly, > Russia and China – have not been involved in the drafting of the treaty. > > In the words of WikiLeaks’ Editor-in-Chief Julian Assange, “If instituted, > the TPP’s IP regime would trample over individual rights and free > expression, as well as ride roughshod over the intellectual and creative > commons. > > If you read, write, publish, think, listen, dance, sing or invent; if you > farm or consume food; if you’re ill now or might one day be ill, the TPP > has you in its crosshairs.” > > Current TPP negotiation member states are the United States, Japan, Mexico, > Canada, Australia, Malaysia, Chile, Singapore, Peru, Vietnam, New Zealand > and Brunei. > > Read the full secret TPP treaty IP chapter here: > > http://wikileaks.org/tpp/static/pdf/Wikileaks-secret-TPP-treaty-IP- > chapter.pdf > > Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:14:53 GMT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LINK] Trans-Pacific Partnership IP Chapter Leaked > To: David Boxall <[email protected]>, Link > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Apologies for another thread on this same serious topic David. > Always read Link carefully & with respect, and was distracted. > > Cheers > Stephen > > > Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:33:18 +1100 > From: "Frank O'Connor" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement > To: [email protected] > Cc: LINK List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yeah, > > Like the so-called Free Trade Agreement the PREVIOUS government eagerly > signed and was so avid to get, Andrew 'Bend-Over-And-take-It-Up-The-Behind'' > Robb and the CURRENT government now want enter another agreement, largely > written to protect and enhance American corporate interests at the expense of > national sovereignty in other jurisdictions, to spread the misery around the > Pacific. > > Me? I start dealing with the cheapest most convenient quality assured > producers on the planet - the Chinese. Hey, we do export a heap of rock and > greenhouse emitting substances there, they do produce state-of-the-art > technology (largely thanks to those same American companies that TPP is > supposed to represent who show no loyalty to their own country when > push-comes-to-shove), and unlike the US at the moment it is on the ascendant > whilst the US slides into the mire of stifling ideas and creativity through > its Dark Ages intellectual property regime that extends the rights of > licensees, to the detriment of both owners and consumers. (The Americans will > eventually wake up to the fact that they're cutting their own throats .... > but it will probably take some time and a goodly turnover of politicians.) > > And what will the average Australian get out of the deal?" > > # Medicines and pharmaceuticals will cost more > # Generic drugs will take longer to appear on our market > # The current region locked inequitable pricing schemes for software, content > and other multimedia will be locked in and probably extended > # Far more draconian copyright regimes will be put in place that boa-fide > users and taxpayers will no doubt fund > # Major international corporations will be able to contest policy decisions > of the Australian government in local and overseas jurisdictions (e.g. on > tobacco/cigarette controls, public safety legislation, workers conditions etc > etc) which affect their trading and profitability. > # Numerous other instances of increased consumer cost, inconvenience, and > reduction in value of goods and content purchased > > Oh yeah, if the current government continues to support this turkey, to > advocate for it against all the objections by prospective non-US governments > who are debating the prospective treaty, and to institute its provisions so > that its own taxpayers and electorate are adversely affected ... well, I say > good luck to them. They were largely elected to decrease the 'cost of living' > ... if they get us into something that actually increases it and imposes > further burdens on Australian families and consumers ... then good luck > dealing with that at the next election. > > If it was me, I'd be REALLY careful about getting into this puppy - because > the potential for it to backfire and blow up in their faces is extremely > likely given the provisions I've seen them supporting so far. > > Just my 2 cents worth ... > --- > On 15 Nov 2013, at 1:35 pm, [email protected] wrote: > >> According to Wikileaks, it looks like Australia, and the Creative Commons, >> are about to be screwed (eg, new international courts with secret evidence) >> and also we >> will screw our neighboring countries even worse: Quote: "Julian >> Assange emphasises that a ?cringingly obsequious? Australia is the nation >> most likely to support the hardline position of US negotiators against >> other countries .." >> >> Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) >> >> http://wikileaks.org/tpp/ >> >> >> Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft >> text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property >> Rights Chapter. >> >> The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations >> representing more than 40 per cent of the world?s GDP. >> >> The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief >> Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. >> >> The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial >> chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, >> publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. >> >> Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and >> disagreements between all 12 prospective member states. >> >> The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP >> (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama >> initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP >> will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP. Both pacts exclude China. >> >> Since the beginning of the TPP negotiations, the process of drafting and >> negotiating the treaty?s chapters has been shrouded in an unprecedented >> level of secrecy. Access to drafts of the TPP chapters is shielded from the >> general public. Members of the US Congress are only able to view selected >> portions of treaty-related documents in highly restrictive conditions and >> under strict supervision. >> >> It has been previously revealed that only three individuals in each TPP >> nation have access to the full text of the agreement, while 600 ?trade >> advisers? ? lobbyists guarding the interests of large US corporations such >> as Chevron, Halliburton, Monsanto and Walmart ? are granted privileged >> access to crucial sections of the treaty text. >> >> The TPP negotiations are currently at a critical stage. >> >> The Obama administration is preparing to fast-track the TPP treaty in a >> manner that will prevent the US Congress from discussing or amending any >> parts of the treaty. >> >> Numerous TPP heads of state and senior government figures, including >> President Obama, have declared their intention to sign and ratify the TPP >> before the end of 2013. >> >> WikiLeaks? Editor-in-Chief Julian Assange stated: ?The US administration is >> aggressively pushing the TPP through the US legislative process on the >> sly.? The advanced draft of the Intellectual Property Rights Chapter, >> published by WikiLeaks on 13 November 2013, provides the public with the >> fullest opportunity so far to familiarise themselves with the details and >> implications of the TPP. >> >> The 95-page, 30,000-word IP Chapter lays out provisions for instituting a >> far-reaching, transnational legal and enforcement regime, modifying or >> replacing existing laws in TPP member states. >> >> The Chapter?s subsections include agreements relating to patents (who may >> produce goods or drugs), copyright (who may transmit information), >> trademarks (who may describe information or goods as authentic) and >> industrial design. >> >> The longest section of the Chapter ? ?Enforcement? ? is devoted to >> detailing new policing measures, with far-reaching implications for >> individual rights, civil liberties, publishers, internet service providers >> and internet privacy, as well as for the creative, intellectual, biological >> and environmental commons. >> >> Particular measures proposed include supranational litigation tribunals to >> which sovereign national courts are expected to defer, but which have no >> human rights safeguards. >> >> The TPP IP Chapter states that these courts can conduct hearings with >> secret evidence. >> >> The IP Chapter also replicates many of the surveillance and enforcement >> provisions from the shelved SOPA and ACTA treaties. >> >> The consolidated text obtained by WikiLeaks after the 26-30 August 2013 TPP >> meeting in Brunei ? unlike any other TPP-related documents previously >> released to the public ? contains annotations detailing each country?s >> positions on the issues under negotiation. >> >> Julian Assange emphasises that a ?cringingly obsequious? Australia is the >> nation most likely to support the hardline position of US negotiators >> against other countries, while states including Vietnam, Chile and Malaysia >> are more likely to be in opposition. >> >> Numerous key Pacific Rim and nearby nations ? including Argentina, Ecuador, >> Colombia, South Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines and, most significantly, >> Russia and China ? have not been involved in the drafting of the treaty. >> >> In the words of WikiLeaks? Editor-in-Chief Julian Assange, ?If instituted, >> the TPP?s IP regime would trample over individual rights and free >> expression, as well as ride roughshod over the intellectual and creative >> commons. >> >> If you read, write, publish, think, listen, dance, sing or invent; if you >> farm or consume food; if you?re ill now or might one day be ill, the TPP >> has you in its crosshairs.? >> >> Current TPP negotiation member states are the United States, Japan, Mexico, >> Canada, Australia, Malaysia, Chile, Singapore, Peru, Vietnam, New Zealand >> and Brunei. >> >> Read the full secret TPP treaty IP chapter here: >> >> http://wikileaks.org/tpp/static/pdf/Wikileaks-secret-TPP-treaty-IP- >> chapter.pdf >> >> Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Link mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:34:43 +1100 > From: Craig Sanders <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] Android mobile phone antivirus? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 09:58:43AM +1100, Jim Birch wrote: >> * Only install applications from Google's store. Their monitoring is not >> perfect but it is better than nothing, and certainly better than a store >> set up as a scam. > alternatively, use an open-source only app "store" like F-Droid. > > https://f-droid.org/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid > > > f-droid has a lot less apps than are in Google's Play Store or most > other app stores, but read on: > > The most important two things to remember when installing apps on either > Android or IOS are: > > 1. Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) > 2. Sturgeon was absurdly pollyanna-ish on this subject. > > IMO, the crap percentage of smartphone apps is approaching 100% - barely > indistinguishable. spamware, malware, spyware. > > > As Jim said, check the permissions requested by the app. and be paranoid > - better not to install the app at all than to risk it and find out > you've just sent your contact list, call history, browser history, > possibly your wifi password and who knows what else, "subscribed" to > numerous $10 per SMS "information services", made hundreds of hours > worth of calls to "premium rate" services, and/or given control > over your phone to some scumbag. > > remember always that nearly all apps are crap and just aren't worth the > risk. > > craig > > ps: google isn't trustworthy either. they're not quite as bad as Apple, > but not really much better. I'll be re-flashing my android phone as > soon as there's a decent, viable alternative. maybe firefox os. maybe > ubuntu's planned phone/tablet os. maybe something else. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:03:07 GMT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LINK] Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Frank writes, > >> Yeah .. Like the so-called Free Trade Agreement the PREVIOUS government >> eagerly signed and was so avid to get .. and the CURRENT government now >> want enter another agreement, largely written to protect and enhance U.S >> corporate interests .. Me? I start dealing with the cheapest most >> convenient quality assured producers on the planet - the Chinese. > > Yes certainly agree, Frank. Although we go for South Korean stuff first. > >> If it was me, I'd be REALLY careful about getting into this puppy >> because the potential for it to backfire and blow up in their faces is >> extremely likely given the provisions I've seen them supporting so far. > > True. Now, thinking this through .. how to get Aussies to accept this? > > Logically.. how should the Australian-public softening-up process start? > > Hmm.. I would guess a short, carefully written newspaper item, apparently > quoting an attractive American blonde, whom could be a senior adviser say > to Obama, and, whom then makes unsupportable but feel good comments so to > raise questions regards how much the Australian economy may loose now and > to guess "if the GDP growth is going up, or back-stepped, by cyber-loss." > > And such news items should have a large photo of the pretty Obama adviser. > > And, politically, this "news" article could probably be in The Australian. > > > Well .. waddieyano.. HOLD THE PHONE, MARGARET .. and, here 'tis .. > > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/ip-theft-costs-australia-15bn/ > > > Sigh. > > Stephen > Does antimatter fall > upward? > > Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:23:31 -0800 > From: Rick Welykochy <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LINK] Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > [email protected] wrote: > >> Hmm.. I would guess a short, carefully written newspaper item, apparently >> quoting an attractive American blonde, whom could be a senior adviser say >> to Obama, and, whom then makes unsupportable but feel good comments so to >> raise questions regards how much the Australian economy may loose now and >> to guess "if the GDP growth is going up, or back-stepped, by cyber-loss." >> >> And such news items should have a large photo of the pretty Obama adviser. >> >> And, politically, this "news" article could probably be in The Australian. >> >> >> Well .. waddieyano.. HOLD THE PHONE, MARGARET .. and, here 'tis .. >> >> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/ip-theft-costs-australia-15bn/ > Page not found. Try this one: > > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/ip-theft-costs-australia-15bn/story-e6frgakx-1226761311674 > > > >> Does antimatter fall >> upward? > No. > > > cheers > rickw > > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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