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> -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Norman Bollinger > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FW: Mainframes are More Expensive Than Racked Servers > > Yeah and ten years ago the IBM study said that for every personal > computer bought you will spend $3,000 to support it. Who counts that money. > Most people don't. > > Norman > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ann Smith wrote: > > > Some of this article defintely does not make sense. > > The issue of personnel for example. Sys admin's no longer need to be bothered > with a lot of software maintenance on the server. With LINUX/390 > > software can be maintained for hundreds of servers by the small VM staff. Also, > the peaks and valleys of Web demand is a reason companies who > > depend on e-commerce are using the mainframe. Handling the peaks and valleys > is a mainframe strength. > > > > "Tormey, Paul P" wrote: > > > > > We are in the eternal struggle - trying to get Management to try LINUX on > > > the zSeries. > > > However, we are continually faced with the costs of Mainframe against Unix > > > and Windows Servers. > > > > > > Does the note below make sense or is there a counter argument. > > > > > > Look forward to help form the team. > > > > > > Paul Tormey > > > LAN Services > > > Standard Bank of South Africa. > > > > > > 011 636 4103 > > > 083 252 5292 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 05 February, 2002 08:47 > > > To: Lea Van Der Want > > > Subject: Mainframes are More Expensive Than Racked Servers > > > > > > IT INSIGHTS FROM META GROUP --- February 05, 2002 > > > Published in association with ITworld.com > > > http://www.itworld.com/newsletters > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > > ____ > > > > > > RESEARCH HIGHLIGHTS > > > > > > * Mainframes Are More Expensive Than Racked Servers for Presentation > > > and Application Levels > > > * Building the "Right" IT Organization > > > * Managing the Middleware Portfolio > > > > > > IT RESOURCES > > > > > > * Operations Excellence Infusion Program > > > * IT Portfolio Management Briefings > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > > ____ > > > > > > SPONSORED LINK > > > > > > WEBCAST: 4 WINNING E-COMMERCE STRATEGIES FOR A > TURBULENT ECONOMY > > > > > > Learn how you can use e-commerce as a competitive advantage for your > > > company by not following in their shaky footsteps, but by learning from > > > their mistakes and improving upon them. Tune in now! > > > > > > http://www.itworld.com/jwc/ITWNL09B/GE_ecommerce > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > > __ > > > > > > Visit http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a7 for daily IT > news > > > analysis, analyst > > > insights, and research reports. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > > > FEATURED ARTICLE > > > MAINFRAMES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN RACKED SERVERS FOR > PRESENTATION AND > > > APPLICATION LEVELS > > > > > > IBM and Computer Associates have been arguing that partitioned > > > mainframes running Linux are competitive with rack-mounted servers as > > > platforms for Apache Web servers and other presentation-level and > > > application-level uses. Some users, particularly in the financial > > > industry, are listening, and argue that more mature operations > > > processes and advanced staffing skills as well as the extra management > > > features of the mainframe make it the logical server for all aspects of > > > important Web sites. > > > > > > Although staff and process maturity are a valid issue for some > > > mainframe-focused organizations, we believe Linux-based mainframe > > > partitions will not be competitive with "scale out" strategies based on > > > rack-mounted, low-end Intel server farms for "edge functions" long > > > term. Therefore, we believe the mainframe is the wrong platform for > > > edge functions such as Web presentation. Not only is the mainframe > > > hardware much more expensive per MIPS -- even with IBM selling Linux > > > partitions at half price -- but VM software adds additional expense and > > > support considerations. Personnel costs, which are the largest portion > > > of the cost of a data center, are fairly equal. However, new software > > > and skill development in the Web presentation arena is clearly focused > > > on scale-out approaches based on many blades of commodity servers and > > > network load balancers. > > > > > > The mainframe's strengths are vital in large-scale DBMS server > > > environments, but are of far less value for relatively stateless edge > > > services. This is particularly true in the Web publish pattern, where > > > information is being published outbound from a Web site. In a Web > > > server farm, load balancing and redundancy is typically provided via > > > the network. If a server develops problems, network load balancers > > > simply fail-route traffic to another server in the rack that is running > > > the same load, and the bad unit can be pulled out and replaced with, at > > > most, minor interruption to processing. > > > > > > The peaks and valleys of Web demand also make load management difficult > > > on a mainframe, where the goal is often to keep the entire system > > > operating at high capacities, such as 80% or higher. While robust > > > mainframe workload management enables management of fluctuating demand, > > > reallocating peak MIPS capacity is more expensive than with commodity > > > Wintel or Lintel server farms. On a server farm, on the other hand, > > > hardware costs are so low that the only important concern is that > > > adequate service be maintained to customers during peak times. The low > > > hardware -- and particularly software -- cost makes idle time on the > > > processors during low demand periods a minor concern. > > > > > > One potential advantage of running the application and presentation > > > layers on the mainframe, with the database layer, is faster response > > > times. Each step in each transaction is milliseconds faster. However, > > > in most cases, this speed differential is unlikely to make enough > > > difference to justify the order-of-magnitude extra cost of the > > > mainframe solution. > > > > > > The largest potential benefit from running edge services on the > > > mainframe is leveraging the most mature set of operations skill sets > > > and processes, as well as any excess cycles that may be available. > > > However, long term, we believe the momentum and focus of deploying edge > > > services on commodity scale-out solutions outweigh these benefits. > > > > > > USER ACTION: Although the mainframe can generally be a more dependable > > > platform, we do not believe the long-term challenges of maintaining > > > management skills to run Web presentation services on the mainframe or > > > the cost premium (vs. commodity servers) are justified for presentation- > > > layer infrastructure. Furthermore, the lack of ISV enthusiasm and the > > > decline in mainframe skills during the next five to seven years makes > > > this a doubtful option long term for most shops. > > > > > > We recommend that organizations match the type of work being done and > > > the service-level goals, such as availability and scalability, to the > > > appropriate computing platform. A key consideration should also be > > > existing operations process maturity and staff skill levels. However, > > > workloads that easily scale out across multiple commodity servers > > > should not be centralized onto more expensive platforms simply because > > > of skill and process issues. In this case, the right answer is to > > > improve the skills and processes associated with running scale-out > > > environments. > > > > > > META Group analysts Rakesh Kumar, Val Sribar, Brian Richardson, Rob > > > Schafer, Rich Evans, William Zachmann, and Philip Dawson contributed to > > > this article. > > > > > > Read trend forecasts, cost-cutting ideas, and other information from > > > META Group's Enterprise Data Center Strategies advisory service. > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a1 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > > > BALANCE YOUR IT BUDGET! > > > LISTEN TO PORTFOLIO MANAGEMENT RESEARCH BRIEFINGS > > > > > > >From this series of free Portfolio Managment Research Briefings, > > > presented by senior META Group analysts, you will learn how to ensure > > > that IT cost-cutting -- and continued strategic spending -- are done > > > with business precision. Choose from seven titles: > > > > > > Briefing 1. The Business of IT Portfolio Management > > > Briefing 2. Architecture, Program Management, and Human Capital: > > > Balancing People and Processes > > > Briefing 3. Infrastructure and Operations: Delivering on the Promise > > > Briefing 4. ROIghtsizing the Application Portfolio: From Commerce to > > > Customers > > > Briefing 5. Business Portfolios and the Sustainable Innovation Community > > > Briefing 6. The Future of Portfolio Sourcing > > > Briefing 7. Security, Trust, and Privacy: Balancing Internal and > > > External Demand > > > > > > Click here to access these Portfolio Management Research Briefings. > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a6 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > > > BUILDING THE "RIGHT" IT ORGANIZATION > > > > > > When modifying the IT organization, enterprises must consider existing > > > performance and work activities -- including how they relate to one > > > another -- as well as issues that the future organization intends to > > > improve/solve. Cross-process integration and governance models should > > > establish the baseline from which future directions may be mapped. > > > Learn more by listening to "Building the 'Right' IT Organization," a > > > series of three audio briefings presented by META Group analysts David > > > Cearley and Dan Vogel. > > > > > > PART ONE: THE BASICS > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a3 > > > > > > PART TWO: EVOLVING PLAN/BUILD/RUN MODELS > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a4 > > > > > > PART THREE: GEOGRAPHIC IT ORGANIZATIONAL MODELS > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a5 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > > > FEATURED RESEARCH > > > MANAGING THE MIDDLEWARE PORTFOLIO > > > > > > Middleware supporting critical component models, application > > > integration, data management, and other core application functions > > > constitutes an increasing part of software expenditures. By 2003, most > > > IT organizations will have amassed a diverse collection of platform > > > components, including application servers, integration servers, data > > > integration mechanisms, legacy connectivity adapters, content managers, > > > commerce servers, and security apparatus. The convergence of e-business > > > platform components, growing overlap of middleware products, and > > > extensive availability of new e-business systems will create increasing > > > redundancy in most organizations' middleware portfolio. During 2003/04, > > > most Global 2000 IT organizations will struggle to reduce their > > > middleware portfolio to manageable size and to implement controls on > > > middleware investments. > > > > > > Read the full-text of this article (free member login required). > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a2 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > > > > > INFUSION PROGRAM: OPERATIONS EXCELLENCE > > > > > > Highly effective IT operations are critical to the rapid deployment and > > > successful management of all enterprise computing resources (hardware, > > > software, network, and personnel) needed to run business application > > > workloads. META Group's Operations Excellence Infusion program imparts > > > a strategic and practical knowledgebase that companies can leverage to > > > transform their operations groups into powerful partners with business > > > units. The program provides best practices, workshops and working > > > sessions, and ongoing analyst support focused on the following areas: > > > > > > * Data center and distributed operations > > > * Technical support/engineering > > > * Distributed and desktop computing > > > * Help desk and customer service > > > * Sourcing of operational components > > > * Service-level agreement management > > > * Asset management (hardware, software negotiations, tracking, > > > inventory) > > > * Rapid assimilation of new technologies > > > * Operational processes (change management, capacity management, > > > asset management, etc.) > > > > > > For more information, please call 800-945-META (US) or 203-973-6700 > > > (outside US), or click on the following link. > > > > > > http://itw.itworld.com/GoNow/a14724a51924a75999756a0 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > > ____ > > > > > > CUSTOMER SERVICE > > > > > > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: > > > - Go to: http://www.itworld.com/newsletters > > > - Click on "View my newsletters" to log in and manage your account > > > - To subscribe, check the box next to the newsletter > > > - To unsubscribe, uncheck the box next to the newsletter > > > - When finished, click submit > > > > > > Questions? 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