If they ( the developers ) were trying to target a product for the Linux/390 community, I would hope that they would not try to develop and test those products just willy nilly even in the uncontrolled environment where they are not getting what they think that they need.
When we buy a product for our production systems we hope (perhaps blindly) that the vendor produced that product on, or reasonably near, the target. Or is Linux so smooth to allow a vendor to be able to develop and test on Linux/Intel and then sell to Linux/390? I would expect to see something like Hercules engines popping up if the users (Linux Admins / Developers) do not get the control that they want because they think that they need it [key word think]. We havent even gotten to an accepted direction and already have several flavors of Linux, both distribution and platform. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nix, Robert P. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > I'm unclear as to why any Hercules engines would pop up at all... > > Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that the users would > just install > Linux images native to whatever platform they had? There's > nothing magic > about the 390 platform in relation to Linux that would make > the end user > want to emulate it. The fact is that Linux will run, by > itself on probably > any platform they had. > > The user isn't asking for a Linux/390 image. And the single user isn't > probably asking for multiple Linux images. They just want a > Linux to do some > specific task. Intel or 390; doesn't matter to them. Single > image on the > iron, or multiple virtual guests; again, it doesn't matter to > the user, as > long as he gets "his" Linux. He isn't worried about economy > of scale; his > scale is "1". > > What the user is interested in is the ease of use of the > Linux system he > receives. No matter if the need is real or perceived, he's > probably going to > want to control the Linux software that lives there. If he > can't get that > control from you, he'll use real hardware to get it. And > you'll have lost > your economy, and your credibility with your user. > > Now, there are some users that will jump at the chance to > have you manage > their Linux image so that they can get on with the business of their > application. And they'd appreciate that even if they were > running on an > Intel. Make use of that, and show them that having their > Linux managed by > you is an advantage. Maybe the others will take notice and > things will drift > your way over time.... > > ---- > Robert P. Nix internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mayo Clinic phone: 507-284-0844 > 200 1st St. SW page: 507-255-3450 > Rochester, MN 55905 > ---- > "In theory, theory and practice are the same, > but in practice, theory and practice are different." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick Laflamme [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:11 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: many Linux guests under vm. how to manage. > > > > John Summerfield wrote: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > Some of your users, I'm sure, need complete control of > their Linux > > > > image to make sure they know how real live customers > would work with > > > > their product. You have to offer these users this > option, or they'll > > > > go behind your back to get this kind of access. Do you > really want a > > > > flock of Hercules-powered penguins in your shop? :-) > > > > > > And what is wrong with a flock of Penguins on Hercules? > > > > > > It doesn't have to be hard to manage. > > > > My point, which I clearly didn't make well enough, is that > if the original > > poster > > doesn't offer a way for his clients to control their own > Linux images, the > > users > > will put up their own Linux images on servers (boxes) the > IS organization > > doesn't > > control, and they'll lose the economies of scale they may > aspire to by > > going to > > Linux guests under VM. > > > > In other words, if he doesn't offer a "full control" option > he won't have > > as many > > "Linux guests under vm. how to manage", which is, after > all, the subject > > of the > > note. > > > > The question isn't whether there's anything wrong with > running Linux under > > a > > Hercules image; the question is how many Hercules images > would spring up > > outside > > the data center, away from the VM system they mean to use > as the rookery > > for the > > Penguins. > > > > Nick >
