Please don't say "may or may not."  The requirements for Linux/390 are very
clear.  G2 or higher.  Halfword Immediate instruction microcode level.
Prior to that, the vintage patches are available, although certainly _not_
desirable.  IEEE FPU and performance in general will be an issue unless
you're just playing or developing a proof of concept.

The space created by "no support" by IBM and/or the distributors has been
filled by very able companies such as Sine Nomine and others.  Don't let
IBM's lack of support worry anyone.  I'm sure you can get equivalent or
superior support for less money elsewhere.

Mark Post

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Linux may or may not run on the older mainframes.  There are instances of 
S/390 Linux running on Rx1 and even 2003 machines but there is no floating 
point support so it runs degraded.    Running or not on these older boxes, 
it is not supported by IBM or any of the distributors.  This may or may 
not be of concern. 








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I use three LPAR native on a 9672 R14 without problem.
 Have a look www.muvrini.com

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On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:23:27AM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
> All the Linux/390 versions out there require a Generation 5 (-Rx6),
> Generation 6 (-Rx7), or zArchitecture machine (z/800 or z/900). The
older
> generation 3 machines, which is what a -R14 is, do not have all the
new
> hardware instructions needed to run Linux/390.
>

This is untrue.

Linux will run just fine on G3s and G2s with the Halfword Immediate
instructions--my P/390, a G2 machine, is perfectly capable of running
Linux.

IBM will, however, not support Linux in such a configuration.  There are
organizations that sell Linux support for these configurations,
however.  One thing to be aware of is that you do not get hardware IEEE
floating point.  Thus any Linux program that uses floating point support
will be very slow, as it will have to go through the kernel emulation
layer to do IEEE floating point.  This is why, in my famous "cough
syrup" benchmark, I found out just how painfully slow perl was on a
P/390.

Adam

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