On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 21:16, Ulrich Weigand wrote:
> convinced this buys you anything w.r.t. security that can't be
> achieved much more easily, e.g. by StackGuard-type compilers.
> Certainly nobody has even attempted to do this w.r.t. segments
> on Intel for example -- at least as far as I know.)

There is Solar Designers non exec stack stuff which uses a segment trick
to fake non exec pages and also some experimental bits (ab)using
segments for fast Linux on Linux virtualisation. On modern x86 segment
limits are really expensive though - 1 or more clocks per access.

> In general, I can only re-iterate my belief that attempting to
> guarantee security *even in the presence of bugs* is ultimately
> futile.

Definitely. Security policy should start "when xyz breaks in.."

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