> V=R - then why run under VM at all? As an old MVS production hand,
> I have to at least smirk at that ;)

As an old VM hand,  I can understand the why,
though I doubt I will succeed in conveying it.   But here goes.

I see little value in LPAR other than marketting:
"it's a hardware feecher,  so you don't have the cost of VM"
or more significantly to foster continued sibling rivalry from MVS.

> Why not VM for those things appropriate to VM
> and an LPAR or LPARs where appropriate, talking back and forth using
> hipersockets?

That would be great.   It rarely happens.
As things work out,  VM and LPAR are parts of,  and sometimes also
objectives of,  office politic agendas.

> One of the configurations I see tried more and more often is a VM
> environment of a lot of small linux EC's to act as web servers and routers
> connected to one very large data base server (VLDB) (Linux LPAR,  MVS LPAR
> or pSeries). Its these VLDB servers I'm talking about.
>
>  These VLDB servers under Linux could use 2-10 GB of real memory and have
> hundred's of GB's or Terabytes of data at 15 ms access times or less. In
> these cases, why incur any VM?   ...

In these cases,  a V=F preferred guest is too close to  "native"
to not use VM.   And VM lets you retain the control option of turning
OFF the V=F if and when you need to.   VM gives you greater control
over all DASD so that you could bring up a test MVS more readily.

> Obviously, the issues of cost, performance, throughput, availability, and
> reliability, need to be stewed into the equation, but don't discount BIG
> penguins as an alternative.

I wouldn't say that.
But I also wouldn't say that a "BIG penguin" should not run on VM.

> Regards, Jim
> Linux S/390-zSeries Support, SEEL, IBM Silicon Valley Labs
> t/l 543-4021, 408-463-4021, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *** Grace Happens ***

Well ... yeah ... when pride doesn't.

-- R;

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