Yes, these are all tough issues.  The answer as to "why" is that, done
correctly, it can significantly reduce the amount of people time to keep
systems maintained, and reduce the (not insignificant) cost of DASD storage.

Doing it yourself is hard, which is why Linuxcare has produced Levanta, and
Aduva/BMC has their Deployment Manager for Linux.  Neither one of them is
cheap, in Intel terms, but for mainframe class software they're not bad.

The IBM Linux Community Development System has just a couple/few people
managing it, which at one point had 600 concurrent Linux/390 guests running.
They were able to do this because of their extensive home-grown automation
for system creation/deletion, sharing of /usr, etc.  (Richard Lewis has
given a couple presentations on this automation.)  I think they're down to
"only" 250 or so at the moment, but they didn't have to remove anyone from
the support team because of the reduced workload.  The system was just that
scalable that the number of guests didn't affect how much work they needed
to do.

In the final analysis, if you're only going to be dealing with, say, less
than 10 Linux/390 systems, it may not be worth your time to worry about the
whole thing.  If you get up into the 20-30-40 range, suddenly the savings
get pretty big, pretty fast.


Mark Post

-----Original Message-----
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Eric Sammons
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pros and Cons to sharing /usr


In today's Unix world we tend to put everything, almost, under /.  With
the elimination of the 2GB filesystem limit there hasn't been a need to
split out every filesystem for quite some time.  However, in looking at
the cloning documentation there is a suggestion that /usr/src and /usr be
shared as R/O.  I am wondering what others have found to be the pros and
cons to this?  Also, is it possible to share other filesystems?  I have
heard my management state that the sharing of WebSphere binaries would be
desired, I am personally not sure that that is possible.  And to be honest
I am not sure that the sharing of /usr is a good idea.  Being experienced
in Linux/x86 and other variants of Unix this is my reasoning for not
liking the sharing /usr.

There have been and will continue to be numerous times where an upgrade to
the binaries (found in /usr) depend on a configuration file in /etc.  /etc
clearly is not a filesystem nor is it part /usr.   This being the case my
greatest fear is that /usr binaries would be upgraded while leaving legacy
/etc configurations behind that may or more likely will not work.  One
example might be the going from inetd to xinetd.  Other examples might be
configuration parameters specific to one version of a product, OpenLDAP,
may not work in a future version thus preventing the applicaiton from
starting.  And to make matters worst /var, having to be unique to each
system has been known to see changes that are directly impacted by a newer
version of a binary.  Take Apache as an example when they moved the
default DOCROOT from /home to /var.  And because apache installs its
configurations in /etc, there lies the biggest issue, the potential to
change or touch /etc, /home, /var, and /usr.  So my question is why would
sharing /usr be a good idea?  and how would you ensure that the
configurations are up-to-date on all guests after an upgrade has been done
to the master copy.  And finally the entire sharing thing, unless planned
very carefully, could result in an all or nothing situation.  All guests
get upgraded and it works or all guests get upgraded and nothing works. Of
course with planning this can be addressed.

Thoughts?  Is anyone cloning?  Yes, how are you addressing the /etc
issues?

Thanks!
Eric Sammons

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