Hmm... Another person that confuses the cost of an item with its price. Speaking from _very_ personal experience, the development cycle is _not_ the same as for Intel. Even if it were, both SUSE and Red Hat (and anyone with any brains at all) is basing the pricing of a particular version on several things: - The cost to produce it - The cost to _support_ it (usually much more expensive than the first bullet) - The value to potential clients - What the market will bear - Etc., etc., etc.
If you don't like the price, go elsewhere, and tell the Linux providers why. That's the only thing that will be effective (in the long term). As you point out, you do have choices, and as of this week, one more choice. If one of those work for you, then you just saved a bunch of money. Mark Post P.S., please change your email configuration so that replies do _not_ go just to you by default. -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luis Siqueira Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cos Hey.... why should I pay more for a zseries processor than I would pay for an intel processor? the development cycle is the same !! Here, in Brazil, one license of Redhat for zseries (government company) is about us$ 26.000,00, US price 18.000,00 (http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/purchase/index.html) comparing with us$ 2.499,00 intel. The same problem you have with support services... IBM supports DB2 UDB running on linux just if you have SUSE, RH... enterprise edition $$$. And... if you read the '*' in the Redhat page: *IBM zSeries & s/390 subscriptions include the ability to run and support up 25 Enterprise Linux AS instances/images per subscription, per engine. And I would include "per year"... For us, zseries users, the power of the architecture permits that we have a lot of servers under zVM, but we paid for the hardware and zVM. We have been running 30 linux images on 2 IFLs with zVM (DB2 and Websphere) using RH 7.2 (Websphere and DB2) "free" and Tao Linux. As a matter of fact, we are waiting to see customers reactions and how it would be in the future, but we think it is expensive, specially for a Brazilian company. Luis. ________________________________________________________________________ From: "Post, Mark K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cos Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:51:41 -0400 I just checked the pricing at http://www.novell.com/licensing/price.html >From what I can tell, the current list price of SLES8 on a Multiprise >is $9,319.00, which translates to 7.515,32 €. Sounds like they're giving you a good deal. If you're not running z/VM, then yes, that's going to be expensive, but you can create multiple LPARs with just one license, so you can drop the per-image price that way. If you are running z/VM, then it becomes easier to create multiple Linux/390 systems. I'm not sure if Novell/SUSE has a maximum number of images per license or not. You might want to check with whomever gave you the quote to make sure. Finally, stop apologizing for your "poor" English. Your written English is better than a lot of people born in the US. Mark Post -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "EXT-JPB, Jorge Puente Beltrán." Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cost Hi everyone, My company is willing to deploy a project under Linux S/390. We´ve got a Multiprise 3000 and are looking ahead for a SuSe Enterprise Server 8.0, but providers (Novell) have sent an offer around 5.400 €. It seems to be a "little expensive", ¿is these the real cost of the Enterprise Server? Thanks in advance and apologize my poor english. Jorge Puente ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
