Often the department that owns the servers gets a square-foot charge flat
rate, adjusted each year.  Power is a factor in that charge. The
server-owning department will get a reduced charge if they reduce power,
but it not immediately obvious.  Perhaps if the server-owning manager
talked to the building-owning manager something might happen.

tom
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This is government, no such thing as one person in charge.

We are a City and a County.  The Mayor is in control of the City, and
another 8 elected offices are in the County (but no County supervisor).
So, there are 9 officials in charge.  Not even the voters are in charge
as the State of Missouri appoints some of the officials.

Even the City police force isn't under the rule of the Mayor.  The
State of Missouri took control of the St. Louis Police force and the
Kansas City police force during the Civil war.  The State was a slavery
state, but the metro areas (or what might pass for a metro area back
then), were not that much into that slavery thing.  The underground
railroad was a big thing in St. Louis that helped many slaves get across
the river to IL (free state).

Oh, btw, the City being it's own County, isn't the same thing as St.
Louis County, that is a different County.  Confused yet?

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting

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On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 09:15:00AM -0500, Tom Duerbusch wrote:
> Now I don't know many department managers that would spend X dollars
> out of their budget to save Y dollars in someone elses budget.  You
> might use the savings to justify the expenditure "up the line", but
the
> savings are soft dollars.  Never measured.  Never seen.

So you just need to go a bit further 'up the line' to find the point
at
which the two departments have a common manager, and sell it to
him/her. :)

At some level in any organisation there's someone who would have
visibility
of both budgets -- if that's the Managing Director (CEO, President,
whatever)
then it might be a bit harder but it doesn't make the point invalid...

The nice thing is that cutting utility costs doesn't (usually) do
anyone
out of a job -- it makes for an easier cost-saving proposition than
the
budget cuts that might mean job losses.  How many CEOs would knock back
a
proposal that: a) reduced overheads, and b) didn't involve giving
anyone the
sack?

Cheers,
Vic Cross

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