What sorts of tests did you run to arrive at this formula?  I'm just curious 
because it seems like a bit much to compare a single IFL to a 4xCPU AIX or Sun 
box.

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John:
The formula we use is 4xCPU (sun 1.2 GHz or aix 1.0 GHz) is the same as one IFL 
under z890 running zLinux under LPAR. If zVM, we take away 10% power for the 
zVM overhead. This is a rough estimate and gets refined upon the real 
circumstances. Products licensing based on number of CPU's get penalized but we 
spend more for the H/W (IBM is happy). There are other benefits that are more 
important, such as saving in head counts that I rather not get into but you can 
figure it out.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Pieter Harder
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:18 AM
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> Subject: Re: Business Week Article
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> > Run Oracle on the z/890 as a "super server",
> > (We just eliminated z/VM and Linux on the zSeries because nobody 
> > knew what to do with them
>
> John,
>
> Just curious, on what are they planning to run Oracle then? zOS? You 
> guys mus have gobs of money....
>
> Best regards,
> Pieter Harder

We don't have "gobs of money". That scenario is what is being touted by certain 
managers. Personally, I don't buy it, but what do I know? They say that Oracle 
is licensed by the number of processors in the box. And that a license for z/OS 
on two processors (regardless of which processor it is - z800, z890, z990, all 
the same cost) costs the same as a license for Windows running on two 
processors. This seems silly to me, but I cannot refute it.

Also, at one time, we did test Oracle on Linux under z/VM (back when we had 
those products). The Oracle DBAs (who ran the test themselves) came to the 
conclusion that a z800 single IFL and 1 Gb of memory did not perform as well as 
a 10Gb Sun system with 10 processors. Well, duh!

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John McKown
Senior Systems Programmer
UICI Insurance Center
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