Wow ... such an interesting suggestion.  You mean,  Ingo,  that EMC might
speak FBA on the IBM "channel"?

I have tried, and tried, and tried to get the storage vendors and/or
in-house storage management teams to present FBA (eg: 9336) on the
channel.  I get the  "deer in the headlights"  response every time.  They
just don't seem to know what disk is if it isn't CKD.  Oh ... SAN,  maybe,
 but that's on a different wire.  Plug the same system into an IBM
processor and it must be CKD  (3390, maybe 3380).

It would be a great boon to all of us  (VM, VSE, Linux)  if EMC and STK
and IBM would give us an FBA handle on SAN volumes.  Think about it!  SAN
on one side,  which can talk to z/VM and to zLinux,  but also to Solaris,
AIX, Windows,  but then also FBA to z/VM and to zLinux  as FBA  without
EDEV overhead.  (Don't get me wrong:  EDEV is great,  but it's a hack, and
it's heavy.)

The CKD "wrapper" around the data which all DASD vendors now appear to
mandate  (if using an IBM strand of fibre)  is overhead.  The disk system
must wrap-up the data;  Linux and CMS  (even CP to some extent)  must then
un-wrap it.  Overhead on both ends.  [sigh]  Why is it that  turning off
this overhead is such a difficult concept to grasp?

-- R,





Ingo Adlung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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08/08/2006 01:05 PM
Please respond to Linux on 390 Port <[email protected]>

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Re: ECKD  vs FBA problem on MF Linux Lpar






I'm confused. I think to recall that with EMC storage subsystems you
could surface SCSI disks as FBA disks, hence the fba discipline of the
dasd device driver would detect it and take care of it ... is this the
use case described initially?

In this case zfcp would be completely out of the picture ...

Best regards,
Ingo

--
Ingo Adlung,
STSM, System z Linux and Virtualization Architecture
mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phone: +49-7031-16-4263

Linux on 390 Port <[email protected]> wrote on 08.08.2006 18:57:51:

> That looks like you don't have the zfcp kernel module on your system.
> What does:
> find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname "*zfcp*"
> show you?
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Michael Harvey
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:30 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: ECKD vs FBA problem on MF Linux Lpar
>
>
> Another question on same issue, let me know if you can help.
>
>   When I try to 'MAP' the FBA disk using the 'ZFCP' module this is what
> I get
> :
>
> LNOUC4D:~ # insmod zfcp map="0x0406 0x01:0x50060482ccb539c8
> 0x0:0x0107000000000000"
> insmod: can't read 'zfcp': No such file or directory
> LNOUC4D:~ #
>
> Can see what I am missing !
> Thank You.
>
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