> Excellent information, thank you!  An answer like this earlier would
> have shut me up right away.  This was the "can't be done" or really
> "shouldn't be done" answer I needed to stop my dreaming.  I really
just
> didn't get that there was no byte oriented processing here.

That's the problem with mailing lists -- everybody looks smarter than
they are from a distance...8-) The point isn't to shut you up, it's to
understand what you're trying to accomplish. 

> As for uses for serial connections and what to use them for, they are
> excellent for heart beats, for status and logging daemons, and even
> UUCP.  Why use such old methods?  Because they still work if the
network
> goes down.

Hey, nothing wrong with UUCP! I was the cause of the Apple II port of
UUCP..8-)  UUCP over TCP does work on 390, BTW. 

For the other stuff: check out the IUCV support for *MSG. VM has lots of
nice ways to handle logging stuff, and that doesn't depend on the
network. 

> Anyway, thanks for the information, and consider my push for this
> dropped.  The guys in the mainframe group have seen this thread and
one
> of them has asked me to leave it alone.  (And to recognize you, Boyes,
> for the mainframe god that you are...)

That's wrong. You have as much right to pose problems and discuss them
as anyone else. Some of the really useful stuff has come from exactly
that kind of proposal. 

I'd rather you ask. In fact, consider yourself personally invited to do
so. The discussion will be occasionally fairly stiff, but that's why
it's useful. 

-- db

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