On Friday, 10/27/2006 at 09:48 ZE2, Carsten Otte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yea I guess so, but not by intention. The wording was not meant to
> imply "simple" or "bad". I just intended to state, that due to caching
> the consistent view of the data that Linux has is not permanently
> reflected on disk. And that is causes trouble when backing up from
> outside that guest.

This is true of all operating systems.  It is, in general, a Bad Idea to
take a backup from the "outside" of a running operating system that is not
actively helping you.

In z/OS, the extents of a dataset may span multiple volumes.  Only the
catalog knows for sure.  If z/OS is in the process of moving a dataset
when you come by and copy the volumes, you will end up with junk.

Or with DDR you start copying a volume, say.  You have the
time-of-test-to-time-of-use problem in disguise.  The volume can change
while you're copying.  The *dataset* you're copying can change.

Cache is just one example of the issues surrounding the general problem of
data integrity.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

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