My vote on this topic is that the real time, day to day discussions stay
here on the lists (VM and zLinux). I like the fact that the information
comes to me, via e-mail, with no effort on my part.
I think a proper role for the Linux Wiki would be to take on part of the
functionally of the linuxvm.org web site that Mark Post currently
maintains single-handedly. That is the Wiki could act as a searchable,
long term store on useful Linux on the mainframe presentations, how-tos,
pointers to articles, etc. It could relieve some of the work that Mark
nows does on behalf of the community; e.g, each of us could post our own
SHARE/WAVV/etc. presentation there, instead of e-mailing them to Mark
for him to place on linuxvm.org.
Discussion on the content and accuracy/usefulness of the material on the
Wiki could take place here on the lists.
I would not like to see another site that would require extra time from
me to go look through every day or so just to see if something new and
interesting has been posted there. I think I am in agreement with Dr.
Boyes on this issue.
David Boyes wrote:
No, I understood what he meant. I was expressing a sincere dislike for
diluting the discussion here with Yet Another Place to check for
things that interest me.
Doing the discussion using the discussion tools in Mediawiki is a
significant step backward in function in that I have to use their
editor and their encoding, and I can't take advantage of any of the
editing and indexing tools I've developed over the years, The MW
editor is really crude and not really very well adapted to keyboard-
oriented users.
I guess I'm just getting less tolerant of things that use my time
unwisely. I'd like to contribute, but the tools are so far away from
what I spend most of my day doing that there's a lot of impact to how
effective I can be. I could write comments and stuff in text files and
then upload it, but at that point I might as well just post it to this
list.
It's a useful project. I just don't think the discussion tools in the
wiki are very good.
- db
On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:07 AM, "John Summerfield" <[email protected]
> wrote:
Mark Post wrote:
On 9/23/2009 at 1:36 AM, "Douglas M. Wooster"
<[email protected]> wrote:
-snip-
I'm sure one could use a Wiki as a discussion
forum, but it really seems better suited to developing, storing, and
searching reference material.
I'm not sure how this meme got started, but nobody is advocating
moving general discussion from the mailing list to the Wiki. What
I _did_ say/mean was that as the Wiki grows, I would like to see
the discussion of what content goes where (organization/
structure), what other topics are needed, what existing topics
need editing, etc., happen on the Talk pages of the Wiki itself,
not here. Until the number of people actively contributing to the
Wiki reaches whatever critical mass is necessary, most of that
discussion is going to have to happen in this mailing list. That's
a significant difference, obviously, and one that I believe
respects the time of the people on the list that aren't going to be
interested in such minutiae.
Being able to place documentation
where other people can find it, like you can do on a wiki, is great,
when you have something authoritative to say.
Given the population of this mailing list, I can't think of any
more authoritative source. Everyone from the people doing actual z/
VM and Linux development, to the distribution providers, to the
"old hands" at z/VM and Linux, to the brand new person is
represented here.
Seems db misinterpreted something Jack Woehr said, then some of the
others of us took it further off the rails.
David, Jack was referring to the discussion of the wiki itself when he
was talking about discussion on the wiki.
Mark, I think that if discussion of the wiki on the wiki could be
mirrored to this list, at least for a while, that might be of interest
to others and maybe inspire a few, "I can do that!"
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John
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