McKown, John wrote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/t/unix/nine-traits-the-veteran-unix-admin-276
>
> sure to cause flames:
>
> <quote>
> While we know that emacs is near and dear to the hearts of many Unix admins, 
> it really is the Unix equivalent of Microsoft Word. Vi -- and explicitly vim 
> -- is the true tool for veteran Unix geeks who need to get things done and 
> not muck about with the extraneous nonsense that comes with emacs. Emacs has 
> a built-in game of Tetris, for crying out loud.
> </quote>
>
> EMACS == MS Word?!? Tho I am a vim user (gvim more often than not), this is 
> extreme!

I suspect someone-- likely a "vi" person who dislikes emacs-- equates
it to M$ Word due to the f**king huge footprint.

Of course, with emacs, you *get something useful* in that footprint.

Mind you, I'm a "vi guy" and remain so BECAUSE OF MY CONDITIONED REFLEXES.

And it is that *breaking* the conditioned reflexes acquired through
the use of one (or the other) editor that makes the "vi vs emacs" holy
wars so stupid.  If your first *real* editor is emacs you'll find the
changes needed to be a vi user incredibly hard to transition to,
simply because your hands know how to use emacs.  The same is true of
vi.

And, yeah, I find myself, in M$ OutLook which is the key mailing
system (and, previously, Loathed Notes at IBM), hitting the escape key
at inopportune times, simply by reflex.

You know you're a real geezer when, faced with a command prompt, with
nothing immediately needing to be done, you type in "sync" without
thinking about it.

Or, weirder yet, the fastest command you can type is "make" and have
to backspace if you wanted to run something that starts with "ma...".

Command interpreters, shells... but mostly editors, your primary
interface to put informaton INTO a computer... drives you to develop a
set of conditioned reflexes.

(chuckles)

How much damage has the conditioned reflexes of WordScar done before
they were finally replaced by either emacs or vi?

-soup

-- 
John R. Campbell         Speaker to Machines          souperb at gmail dot com
MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows

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