This shared VM disk solution looks pretty neat, and I would like to use
it to make database backups visible to two linux VMs running under the
same VM.   But when I try the vmcp command, I get a missing device msg.
eg.:

# vmcp q disk
Error: Could not open device /dev/vmcp: No such file or directory

modprod -l shows the vmcp module loaded.

Do I need a mknod command?  If so, what are the major/minor nr.s?

Running SLES10 sp3, kernel: 2.6.16.60-0.74.7

Roger

On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 09:11 +0100, Agblad Tore wrote:

> It's two different z/VM systems in two different z196.
> We have this software in z/VM that enables each z/VM system to check what the
> other one is using. Don't remember that abbreviation now.
> That is sort of requirement, because now only one server can LINK to the
> disk in write mode. We even tested a logic there both servers actually try
> to LINK in write mode, the one that got it first is the current MQ.
> Worked perfect, but was harder to control the traffic from app-servers.
> So the switch is operator initiated now, much safer.
> And by the way, we run SLES11 SP1, but it's the same for RedHat I guess.
>
> ___________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcy 
> Cortes
> Sent: den 15 december 2010 18:37
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Shared filesystem in redhat
>
> Agblad,
>
> Do you configure both MQ server names in your app server?  Or do you move 
> host names to the new server?  Or use VIP or something?
> Do you have anything in place to prevent write links from both servers?  Are 
> they on the same VM system?
>
> Just curious, we have a MQ MI implementation in proof of concept now but set 
> up with NFS.
> Marcy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Agblad 
> Tore
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:37 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Shared filesystem in redhat
>
> Agree with that NFS has serious drawback, especially when you
> need redundant (duplicate servers)
>
> Here is just a hint to get rid of that problem when using MQ:
>
> We needed a redundant solution for MQ, who stores for example it's queues
> in normal files. The recommendation when you have two (or more) MQ servers
> was to use NFS mounted files.... and there goes redundancy :(
>
> We finally ended up with having two servers with MQ installed, but only active
> in one of them. And both appl servers(redundant) using them called the one 
> active.
> The MQ server choosen as active at start did VMCP LINK 800 as writable, 
> dasd_configure 0.0.0800 1 1
> (we used DIAG) and mount it before starting MQ.
> When stopping MQ we added umount, dasd_configure 0.0.0800 0 0 and VMCP DET 800
> You need to put a wait for 10 seconds since the dasd_configure start the 
> requested action async.
> Now we can switch MQ between the two servers making it typically redundant.
> It's very stable and we have normal realdisk performance.
>
>
> ___________________________________________
> Tore Agblad
> Volvo Information Technology
> Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development, Linux servers
> Dept 4352  DA1S
> SE-405 08, Gothenburg  Sweden
>
> Telephone: +46-31-3233569
> E-mail: [email protected]
>
> http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Troth
> Sent: den 14 december 2010 16:21
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Shared filesystem in redhat
>
> Good points.
> I did not mention your #5 because it affects shared DASD too and was
> trying to contrast NFS and shared disk.
>
> -- R;   <><
> Rick Troth
> Velocity Software
> http://www.velocitysoftware.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:12, Patrick Spinler <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> > On 12/14/2010 07:47 AM, Richard Troth wrote:
> >>
> >> Having just recommended NFS, I must respond to this question.  YES,
> >> there are reasons why one might NOT want to use it.
> >>
> >> NFS is my first choice for shared RW storage or for any shared storage
> >> where you don't have a hardware sharing option.  Caleb can share the
> >> disks at the HW level, so that is preferred.
> >>
> >> So why or when would one not want to go NFS?
> >>
> >> #1 - NFS firstly requires the network.  The sharing systems cannot
> >> operate independently.  (They cannot be isolated.  Sometimes people
> >> isolate systems.  Lots of reasons for that; do I need to enumerate?
> >> And don't get me started about port-grained access controls in
> >> switches and VLANs.)  The requirement for the network also affects the
> >> sequencing at startup.  Your NFS-resident content cannot be there
> >> until your network is fully operational.
> >>
> >> #2 - NFS means that one server has to "own" the data.  That one server
> >> becomes another single point of failure.  Even apart from failure,
> >> access times are different on all the other systems so you may find
> >> performance numbers out of balance.  "It depends."
> >>
> >> #3 - (related to #2) NFS and NIS historically are the two services
> >> which can lock-up a system tighter than anything else.  If the hosting
> >> NFS server goes away, or if there is some other problem between there
> >> and the client(s), then the client(s) are stuck until things are
> >> restored.
> >>
> >
> > #4 - Security issues.  While there are options in NFSv4 protocol to do
> > secure authentication (and I believe, secure transmission) NFS defaults are
> > pretty open, both with regard to authentication and transmission.
> >
> > #5 - System UID/GID numbers. This is not a bad thing to do anyway, but it is
> > something to be aware of.  Running NFS will force you to keep your UID and
> > GID numbers coordinated across all systems and accounts that access that
> > storage.  Best to just set up a LDAP service and keep all your accounts in
> > sync everywhere.  (Be aware that different unix like OS's default common
> > service accounts like apache to different values -- problems here)
> >
> > BTW -- to partially alleviate issue #3, we've moved to using our automounter
> > to mount all of our NFS storage on every client that needs it.  It's not a
> > complete fix, but it helps a lot.
> >
> > I really really wish that there was a unix network filesystem that combined
> > e.g. AFS's reliability, client caching, distributed redundancy and secure
> > authentication with NFS's ubiquitousness, UNIX style security semantics and
> > ACL's.  IMHO all the network filesystems out there have significant
> > drawbacks.
> >
> > -- Pat
> >
> >
>
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