Linux-Advocacy Digest #650, Volume #25 Thu, 16 Mar 00 08:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux (Darren Winsper)
Re: An Illuminating Anecdote (Truckasaurus)
Re: NT2K Development Vs. Linux 2.4Pre ("Bill Sharrock")
Re: An Illuminating Anecdote (Truckasaurus)
Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead? (Navindra Umanee)
Re: which OS is best? (Steffie)
Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Open Software Reliability (Klaus-Georg Adams)
Re: which OS is best? (Tim Koklas)
Re: Symbolic Links for WinBlows 2000 (Graham Murray)
Re: I can't stand this X anymore! (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Using Computers (and Cars) Requires Instruction and Intelligence (Sitaram
Chamarty)
Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: In the middle of it all... (Terry Porter)
Re: Let's blow this Linux Scam Wide Open!! (Terry Porter)
Re: A little advocacy.. (Terry Porter)
Re: In the middle of it all... (Terry Porter)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Terry Porter)
Re: A little advocacy.. (Terry Porter)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux
Date: 16 Mar 2000 15:14:52 GMT
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:34:29 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I didn't get Jim's message, so I'll reply here.
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:42:36 -0500, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Darren Winsper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> XFree 4 has decent Truetype support IIRC. I'm waiting for it to appear
> >> in Woody (Debian's current unstable tree) before I give it a proper
> >> test drive.
> >
> >Isn't lack of anti-aliasing the real problem though?
I'd rather have no anti-aliasing than have something like Windows'
implimentation. There is talk of extending XFree (Or maybe even X) to
support anti-aliasing, though.
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your part?
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Illuminating Anecdote
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:24:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"mr_organic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(...)
> It never fails to amaze me how little many Windows developers know
> about "real programming". Many of them have no conception of how to
> write common computer algorithms (if I see another badly-coded
> bubble-sort in $LAME_DEVELOPMENT_ENVIRONMENT, I'm going to start
> shooting).
Bubble-sort is OK - compared to random-sort:
001 while items in list_to_be_sorted are not placed correctly
002 reorganize list_to_be_sorted in a totally random way
003 end(while)
(...)
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your new you packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
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Before you buy.
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From: "Bill Sharrock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT2K Development Vs. Linux 2.4Pre
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:47:18 -0600
"Ron Reeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Two things:
>
> 1 Received one of those free trade publications that come across
> everyone's desk, this was a new one: "eDirections"
>
> 2. Subscribed to the linux-kernel mailing list last friday.... till
> monday morning.... after over 800 messages, I unsubscribed.
>
>
fwiw, I simply watch LinuxToday and when they report that a new verion of
Kernel Traffic is out I hop over and give it a read. If a thread summary
catches my eye I can then go to the archive and pursue the topic in greater
detail. For a general overview of what's happening and where development is
exploring/going KT can't be beat imho.
http://kt.linuxcare.com/latest.epl
<snip>
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Illuminating Anecdote
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:36:27 GMT
In article <h1Rz4.428$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mr_organic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > This is a true story:
>
> But horribly biased.
>
> > This in my mind is a paradigmatic example of why Linux (or *BSD, or
> > even other Unices) are a Good Thing for hackers to learn, even if
they
> > don't use it every day. Learning Unix requires mental discipline and
> > problem-solving capability, and that's *before* you begin to code.
> > And when you code, you *can* use fancy GUI tools like Glade or
> > KDevelop for your apps, but you still have to know a great deal
about
> > the toolchain and associated utilities to produce workable programs.
>
> The tool has little to do with your skill as a programmer. Either you
have
> the discipline or you don't. The tools you use will not change that. I
> know crappy unix coders and experts in C or C++ that use windows and
nothing
> else.
This is the same old discussion:
Can you appreciate good food at a restaurant, if you can't cook?
Can you appreciate good cabinet-making, if you have never handled wood?
In schools in DK, pupils are taught the basic concepts of math
(+,-,*,/) before they are given calculators, in order to make them
understand what is going on inside such a machine before using it. This
is to
make sure that they understand and interprete what this magic little
thing spits out; there are examples that show that if you don't
understand calculus before using a calculator, you might compute the
area of the USA to be, say, 83 square-feet, "the calculator said so, so
it must be true".
"Roughing it" before you use the "advanced" GUI-based tools, is
generally a good thing.
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your new you packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
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Before you buy.
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From: Navindra Umanee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:58:48 GMT
Wolfgang Weisselberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> All of this makes the TCO(MT) of Linux boxes significantly higher.
>
>> > man source_code
>
>> Huh?
>
> If in doubt, you can always recompile (or get someone to do it)
> if you have the source code, which should make most of the
> problem a non-problem. Which is one more reason why I think
> having the source is a _good_ thing.
Having to spend several hours (let's say 10 hours) to recompile Oracle
from source (which is not even available, but you seem to be assuming
that it is or should be), then to test it to see if the new "drop-in"
glibc isn't even more broken than expected does not seem likely to do
wonders for the TCO[1] to me.
Of course, this is assuming that the glibc2 Oracle does in fact not
work with glibc2.1, which admittedly I've been loath to test at this
point.
-N.
[1] In case you didn't get it, TCO is marketing term that stands for
"Total Cost of Ownership".
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From: Steffie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:09:44 GMT
Stop nagging about what OS is the best! I know what's the best. The one
on that grape coloured computer on my desk, the OS on that silver one
(standing next to the grape one) is not bad either. But I'm realy waiting
for that OS that looks like there's water on your desktop, where documents
are squeezed into al little box, and where you can see through, just like on
an ordinary desk, "where did I put it?" I can see it, it's underneath that
pile of junk-mail.
Choosing an OS is like picking a favorite car manufacturer, some people
like the Cadillac, and I wouldn't like to be seen dead in one, always black,
drive very slow, always a chaufeur and four of his helpers that carry the
passager out. No, believe me. It's not for me, not yet, maybe some day,
later, much later! When I'm old and grey a car may take me where it wants to
bring me, but now I deside what to do, and when. Colours and sound. FUN!
I've seen them, an OS that will decide for you how you should do thing,
limmit your possibileties, but I wanna expand. For some people Windows is
the best, for some people it's Cadillac. Some people love Linux, I see it as
a convertible, a little bit more possibilities. I see the MAC OS as some
sort of a big wheeled mussle car, with buggy coloured paintings all over,
big stereo in it. And then go with that enormous car to the beach, play the
music lawd, in the back of the car is a cooler with non toxicating drinks.
People drop by, good looking people, babes and baech boy to! Watch to sun go
down, have a little discussion about some philosophical thing. You don't
have to be only good looking to use a MAC, you can have brains to.
It's your freedom, it's your choice. Think different, or at least think! Or
if you don't think different whack the computer till it does the thinking
for you.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:15:47 GMT
David H. McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>In article <38cf141b$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> David H. McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>>
>>
>> HEY EVERYONE --- Standby for McCoy to tell us how the sex was with someones
>> mother. Its his standard MO.
>>
>>
>Weenie.
McCoy you asshole, crawl back into the hole you came out of and this time stay
there.
_____________
Ed Letourneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Klaus-Georg Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open Software Reliability
Date: 16 Mar 2000 09:44:21 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Murphy) writes:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:59:47 GMT, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> >80% of all supercomputers run UNIX (the remainder run MVS or OS/390)
>
> Apparently you are combining mainframes and supercomputers. I do not
> know about supercomputers (and I wouldn't be too surprised to hear
> they are 100% Unix), but mainframes are 0% Unix, by definitin.
You should update your sources somewhat. OS/390 (it's no longer called
MVS), IBM's mainframe OS is Unix '95 branded. Hence mainframes, per
definition are 100% Unix these days.
And don't forget that IBM is pushing Linux of S/390 very hard.
I work in the finance industry in germany and here _nobody_ ever uses
VMS. Its MVS (or rather OS/390) all over the place. IMO VMS is nearly
dead.
--
MfG, Klaus-Georg Adams
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
From: Tim Koklas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:56:27 GMT
Steffie wrote:
>
> Stop nagging about what OS is the best! I know what's the best. The one
> on that grape coloured computer on my desk, the OS on that silver one
> (standing next to the grape one) is not bad either. But I'm realy waiting
> for that OS that looks like there's water on your desktop, where documents
> are squeezed into al little box, and where you can see through, just like on
> an ordinary desk, "where did I put it?" I can see it, it's underneath that
> pile of junk-mail.
I thought that computers are supposed to "organise" our desktop, not
duplicate it.
> I've seen them, an OS that will decide for you how you should do thing,
> limmit your possibileties, but I wanna expand. For some people Windows is
> the best, for some people it's Cadillac. Some people love Linux, I see it as
> a convertible, a little bit more possibilities. I see the MAC OS as some
> sort of a big wheeled mussle car, with buggy coloured paintings all over,
> big stereo in it. And then go with that enormous car to the beach, play the
> music lawd, in the back of the car is a cooler with non toxicating drinks.
> People drop by, good looking people, babes and baech boy to! Watch to sun go
> down, have a little discussion about some philosophical thing. You don't
> have to be only good looking to use a MAC, you can have brains to.
Good looking to use a MAC??? NOOOOOO!!!
Using a MAC has been my life's dream. Now I know I can't use it.
Why god, why did you make me SO ugly?
> It's your freedom, it's your choice. Think different, or at least think! Or
> if you don't think different whack the computer till it does the thinking
> for you.
If you keep on whacking your computer, in a short while you will
actually have a "watery" desktop.
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From: Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Symbolic Links for WinBlows 2000
Date: 16 Mar 2000 09:15:52 +0000
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What the press release doesn't quite adequately say is that this is a
> transparent process that happens in the background. Links are not created
> manually, the OS finds identical duplicate files and coalesces them into a
> single file with links without any user interaction.
What happens if you then modify one of these files and want to keep
the other unchanged? Will the system automatically split them for you
when you start changeing one "copy"?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: I can't stand this X anymore!
Date: 16 Mar 2000 10:37:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Warren Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are tools that take an existing TrueType or Type 1 font and let
> you manipulate it quickly in obvious ways. E.g., add a font to a family
> with a different weight from the set the foundry gives you, synthesize a
> quick oblique version, make a hollow face, etc.
>
> More importantly, you can then tweak the results: perhaps the "embolden"
> operation thickened the serifs too much...trim them back with the bezier
> editor.
[...]
> Do programs like this exist for Metafont?
While I do not know the tools very well (I just use the fonts
produced! :^) I can say for sure that Metafont is capable of
supporting such activity. Whether someone's written a cute tool
to do it is a separate matter...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Using Computers (and Cars) Requires Instruction and Intelligence
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:37:51 GMT
On 14 Mar 2000 01:29:15 GMT, Mark S. Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Both a car and a computer are easy to operate in the sense
>Ross is talking about -- turn on the switch, press the pedals
>or keys, and move the wheel or mouse. An untrained monkey
>can do these things. But the results won't be good.
>
>To make either machine perform useful tasks, and not destroy
>anything, requires hours, days, or weeks of training (depend-
[snip]
Someone once argued with me that computers ought to be as easy to
use as telephones.
Guess what - even using a telephone beyond the basic "pick up and
dial" or "pick up and talk" needs *some* knowledge.
Fairly recent incident: wife and son (one on cordless, one on the
kitchen phone) talking to relatives. Call waiting tone comes up.
Wife tries her damnedest to take the incoming call - but the
"flash" button doesn't seem to be doing its usual magic!
Now, if she had some knowledge of *how* the telephone works, she
would have asked my son to hang up on the kitchen phone before
trying the flash button.
I regard this as a great example of the fact that even in the
so-called "easy to use" things, you still need to know how it
works if you want to get more than the bare minimum out of it.
Otherwise you (read "most Windows folks") will be stuck doing
relatively simple things because "easy to use" only goes so far.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:09:01 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, W. Kiernan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:12:05 GMT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 7. Scanners. SCSI scanners still rule in the Linux world although they
>> offer no advantage over parallel port scanners...
>
>Evidently you don't use a scanner much. If you have to do a lot of
>scanning, the difference between a pp scanner and a SCSI scanner is like
>the difference between a wheelbarrow and a pickup truck. Incidentally,
>I have never tried to use my scanners under Linux; I do all my scanning
>in NT 4.0. One of these days I'm going to have to have a look at GIMP,
>though; what I'd like is to be able to script certain repetitive
>graphics-editing jobs. I don't know if you can do that in GIMP but with
>the general Linux emphasis toward scriptable applications, I'd guess
>it's more likely than with canned, closed-source Windows graphics
>programs.
You might also want to look at Jeff Poskanzer's work
(http://www.acme.com), specifically, pbmplus. These are
libraries and shell utilities that allow for translations
of image files from and to pbm, pgm, and ppm formats -- and
manipulations of files, such as scaling, quantizing,
and convolution (?), which involves a matrix operator applied
on each and every pixel, and can do some interesting effects
from edging to averaging.
It's not really related to GIMP, but can be used to edit things
going into or out of GIMP.
Also, GIMP does in fact have a powerful scripting utility of its
own. I know little about it except that it exists, though, but
suspect it also allows for scaling, quantizing, and convolution,
among other things.
[rest snipped]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: In the middle of it all...
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 12 Mar 2000 13:59:00 +0800
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:03:54 GMT, Kool Breeze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Very few people posting to this group have real evidence of a REAL
>WORLD application to compare NT and Linux.
>
>Not me. I am in the middle of it all.
>
How dare you come into COLA, and sprout real world applications!
You'll give COLA a good name ;-)
Hey GREAT post Kool Breeze, let me add another ?
Recently I finished developing a in-circuit AT89C2051 Microproccesor
programmer. I did the hardware design and coding myself, and using
only Free Software.
schematic capture - gEDA
pcb design - PCB
C Compilier for Linux - Gcc
C compiler for At89C2051 - SDCC
editor/ide - Elvis
cvs - TkCvs on top of RCS and CVS
literate doc - Cxref
And a host of others. The platform was this trusty old 686/300 running Redhat
4.2 and kernel 2.0.36 with clib5.
The whole project was a breeze from start to end, and the programmer
runs for a standard parallel port, burns and verifies a 2k eeprom in about
0.3 seconds. The eeprom is internal to the microprocessor.
Cpu loading is negligble, whilst burning, and the whole process happens
when I click on my make icon. The software for the chip is compiled under
SDCC, for which I can source level debug on my Linux workstation, then its
assembled, burnt in-circuit, and verified, all automatically.
Its burning hapily on my bench as we speak. The whole proj will be released
under the GPL as soon as I can tidy up my crappy coding :)
Sadly I can't give a comparison of how the project would have compared under
Windows, as I don't use it. However I can tell you, I'd have had to spend a LOT
of $$$$$ to get comparable tools.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Let's blow this Linux Scam Wide Open!!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 14 Mar 2000 08:30:40 +0800
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:47:31 -0600,
John Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Typical LinoNut cheapshit hardware.......
>>
>> They will spend hours configuring the shit Linux, but won't spend one
>> second earning enough money to buy a real hardware system...
>>
>> Typical left wing Linux crap.....
>>
> You practicing to be a 5 year old?
Nope, he doesnt need any practice for that ;-)
>--
>John W. Sanders
>---------------
>"there" in or at a place.
>"their" of or relating to them.
>"they're" contraction of 'they are'.
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Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 11 Mar 2000 21:01:19 +0800
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:50:00 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:20:54 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 04:31:38 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>> >I can guarantee that I can configure your Linux system to run only for a
>>few
>>> >minutes and lock up.
>>>
>>> How ? Give some concrete details.
>>
>>Having done this several times, it's quite easy. Fiddle a few settings in
>>your X config, causing the video card to fault the bus.
Oh man, this is good stuff :))
You don't need to "filddle" any settings in Win95 to screw up the video, just
install the driver that comes with the vid card. My sons Win95 (pri hard disk)
is screwed from that one operation, I'd list the errors here, but it takes too
long with all the reboots and all.
If Windows was a horse, they'd have to shoot it, its so lame.
>
> That sounds rather vague actually.
As usual, wintrolls don't actually know much, vagueness is their mo.
>
>[deletia]
>--
> |||
> Resistance is not futile. / | \
>
>
> Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: In the middle of it all...
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 12 Mar 2000 14:02:20 +0800
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:44:27 -0600,
Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Drestin Black wrote:
>
>> You do know that what you write has absolutely no supporting evidence and
>> sounds exactly like what someone could just sit down and write.
>
Yeah Dressed in wolf's clothing, if we didnt know it was credible, it would
look just like *your* articles.
>Yeah. If it was contrary to any of our real world experiences, we'd all be
>shocked and outraged at his claims.
>
>
>Bobby Bryant
>Austin, Texas
>
>
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Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 12 Mar 2000 19:28:40 +0800
On 12 Mar 2000 05:11:31 GMT,
Mike Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bloody Viking ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: John Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:
>: : Ignoring the somewhat "political" issues (anti-Monopoly, Open Source, etc),
>: : what would be my motivation to run Linux on the desktop?
>:
>: Sort of like Sir Edmund Hillary about climbing a tall mountain: "Becuse
>: it's there".
>
>That was Mallory (the one whose body was finally found last year). Sir
>Ed is famous for saying that "We knocked the bastard off!".
>
>If we are going to quote New Zealanders, perhaps more relevant to the
>current debate is a quote from a famous alumnus of our University, Lord
>Ernest Rutherford of Nelson: "We have no money, therefore we have to
>think".
>
>A lot of us here run Linux on our desktops because the tools we use work
>extremely well in a Unix/X environment: (X)Emacs for editing, C, C++,
>Fortran, Matlab, Mathematica, Maple, etc to do calculations on a variety
>of Linux, Compaq (i.e. Digital :-) and Sun servers, (La)TeX to write
>documents, Netscape for the web, and StarOffice if we get sent MS documents
>:-]
>
>Mike Reid
>
>--
>Dr. Michael F. Reid, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Delete the ocean]
>Physics and Astronomy, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
>
I just use "strings word_bloat_file.doc > one_third_the_size.txt", for all
versions of MS Word docs.
I do embedded design, user manuals, coding, flowcharting, net browsing
emailing, news reading, graphics, mechanical design etc, all are in X.
The Linux/Unix tools I have work brilliantly for me, on this old Redhat4.2
libc5 system. Its use is 90% Desktop, 10% server, but both functions work
without intefering with the other.
I have a nfs, irc, ftp, and ppp facility here, it all happens while I'm working
at the desktop.
This system is over two years old, same install, same hard drive. Its had the
power die unexpectedly at least 20 times over that period, without any data
loss.
Hdd usage has run at 95% for about a year or more, and files are continually
moved about, deleted and updated, yet fragmentation remains at about 7%.
I think the above demonstrates some reasons to use Linux on the Desktop ?
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: A little advocacy..
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:09:50 +0800
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:46:33 -0800, Gooba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Don't take this personally. Terry's style is to tear down anyone who
>doesn't agree with him on every portion of his views. You gotta believe
>what he does, why he does and how he does to be safe from his rants.
>
Oh Gooba, look at your words man, you gotta get this persecution complex
outa your system.
"tear down"
"rants"
You overrate me, I'm just your normal Troll hunter, and your just a normal
Troll.
Get over it.
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