Linux-Advocacy Digest #173, Volume #26 Mon, 17 Apr 00 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (George Graves)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (George Graves)
Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Bart Oldeman)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Craig Kelley)
Re: !!!Bluemountain -PRIVACY ALERT!! 7124 ("Rich C")
Re: 'To Be Up or Not To Be Up' (Mathias Grimmberger)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (C Lund)
Re: uptime -> /dev/null ("Jim Ross")
Re: 'To Be Up or Not To Be Up' (Mig Mig)
Steve At The Crossroads -was- Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Mig Mig)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Mike Marion)
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From: George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:11:35 GMT
In article <BGoK4.2400$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shock
Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"George Graves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Don't worry, I won't. I have learned that the only thing that Apple
>> could ever do to please Wintrolls who post on CSMA is to roll over,
>> belly-up and die.
>
>No.. I'm waiting to actually see what becomes of OS-X. Apple did right by
>admitting that the current MacOS foundation is patheticially outdated, and
>that they incapable of making something decent out of it. And so, I applaud
>them for doing the right decision and simply flushing it down the toilet,
>and retreat back to a Unix foundation from which to build anew.
>
>Unfortunately, I suspect that Apple will be the major obsticle in allowing
>OS-X/BSD to be what it is capable of being.
>
>> With Apple gone, they wouldn't have that little
>> nagging voice in their head that keeps saying "did I choose the wrong
>> platform?"
>
>To that extent, you are right. For many years, I had that nagging little
>voice. Then I finally listened to it, and
>switched from Apple to SGI and Dell.
I'm sooooooooo happy for you! (Yawn).
>
>> Because with no Apple, there would be only ONE platform and
>> the Wintrolls could sleep secure in their beds with no nasty Apple
>> confusing them with that pesky Macintosh.
>
>Ah, so Apple is the reason that Linux, AIX, Solaris, HPUnix, and others all
>exist?
>
>How um.. niave.
Just realistic. There are two major OSes in the world that have the
preponderance of productivity software available for them at a
reasonable cost. Mac and Windows. All else are niche and specialty
computers with a COMBINED market share of less than 2%.
--
George Graves
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From: George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:12:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>George Graves wrote:
>>
>> Don't worry, I won't. I have learned that the only thing that Apple
>> could ever do to please Wintrolls who post on CSMA is to roll over,
>> belly-up and die. With Apple gone, they wouldn't have that little
>> nagging voice in their head that keeps saying "did I choose the wrong
>> platform?" Because with no Apple, there would be only ONE platform and
>> the Wintrolls could sleep secure in their beds with no nasty Apple
>> confusing them with that pesky Macintosh.
>
>A common misconception. PC owners are becoming increasingly aware that
>there
>are alternatives to MS based products, thus there are far for than "one"
>platform available.
With what, pray tell, to run on them?
--
George Graves
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat
From: Bart Oldeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:33:57 GMT
On 17 Apr 2000, abraxas wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > dammit yttrx - I thought you hated linux, or at least 'preferred slowaris
> > and Crapintosh'? :)
>
> I dont hate linux, I use it at home and at work in great capacity...:)
>
> I like solaris ALOT more, and well...macs have always been close to my heart.
I assume you're talking about its technical merits. I merely dislike
solaris because of its default setup (of course a friendly sysadmin can
change that, but you have to depend on this).
e.g.
I log in on a solaris box for the first time and get dumped in csh:
host% ls --color
ls: illegal option -- -
usage: ls -1RaAdCxmnlogrtucpFbqisfL [files]
host% tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
tar: z: unknown option
Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile]
[blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ...
host% locate file
locate: Command not found
i press the up arrow to get my last command back:
host% ^[[A
Tab doesn't work either.
Now why does Sun give you such an awful system by default? Or have they
finally changed that in the newest version?
Bart
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:12:46 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) writes:
> In article <7IsK4.43281$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Mayer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think that answers it: Mac OS is a hybrid of both document and application
> > centric models.
> >
> > It'll be interesting to see how OS X does it, since that will tell us what
> > Apple didn't like about their own OS.
>
> I think an important factor in the GUI changes in OS X will be due to the
> fact that when the MacOS was designed, the users weren't expected to be
> juggling so many files and apps at a time as they are now.
>
> And I think Apple should remove the "Mac" in front of OS X. It *isn't* a
> Mac OS; it's something completely different.
How about "Next"? :)
> I'm looking foreward to it anyway.
Me too.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: !!!Bluemountain -PRIVACY ALERT!! 7124
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:21:36 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:q4JK4.14177$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bluemountain says they protect your privacy, but they don't. They use
cookies to track everything you are doing on their site. How do you think
they remember your e-mail address when you come back to their site? I found
this great greeting card site that doesn't use cookies www.cardgirl.com
> Cardgirl and a bunch of her friends put together a really cool site.
It's a lot of fun and 100% free! And they really protect our privacy. And
they have really good cards. If you find any other good card sites that
don't use cookies, please let me know
> zqgpcceivljzyvjuimfddenpsovhh
>
Considering the fact that cookies in and of themselves are NOT a security
risk, and considering the fact that if you were REALLY concerned about
security, you would just turn off cookies completely, this is a piss-poor
excuse to spam this newsgroup.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
From: Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'To Be Up or Not To Be Up'
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:12:27 GMT
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "C't" = German "The Register"
>
> 'nuff said
Muhahahahaha! Bwahahahahaha! OH MY GOD.
Well, I would certainly think twice before making a complete fool of
myself in front of a worldwide audience.
It is easily possible that c't has been published for longer than you
have known about computers. :-)
MGri (still laughing)
--
Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Eat flaming death, evil Micro$oft mongrels!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:21:30 +0100
In article <FGoK4.2405$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shock Boy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As with many features.. a simple minded user can not even comrehend why a
> feature may be even remotely useful, until he learns from experience. For
> example, I once thought the 'scroll mouse' to be silly.. now I know it's an
> invaluable tool.
So you're saying you're a simple-minded user? ;)
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uptime -> /dev/null
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:29:26 -0400
Pedro Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:WWrJ4.1628$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > When windows starts to go flakey (after a few month if you
> install/uninstall
> > stuff frequently), uptime can be less than the amount of time that you
use
> a
> > computer for in one go.
>
> Agree.
>
> > Also, a bad app can crash windows, making you loose all
> > your data.
>
> Well, ext2 partitions have given me a lot of trouble too. Linux
> lacks a good journaling filesystem now.
>
> > Except that a desktop user need not apply each case.
>
> Agree, but almost each case; anyway, tell me any Linvocate (me
> included) that does not install avery patch falling in its hands :)
I lost alot of data with an EXT2 partition.
I won't trust Linux with journalling also.
FAT16 never does wrong by me strangly enough.
Jim
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: 'To Be Up or Not To Be Up'
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:54:41 +0200
Mathias Grimmberger wrote:
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > "C't" = German "The Register"
> >
> > 'nuff said
>
> Muhahahahaha! Bwahahahahaha! OH MY GOD.
>
> Well, I would certainly think twice before making a complete fool of
> myself in front of a worldwide audience.
>
> It is easily possible that c't has been published for longer than you
> have known about computers. :-)
Isnt C'T only about 10 years old?
> MGri (still laughing)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: Steve At The Crossroads -was- Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"!
Date: 17 Apr 2000 20:53:26 GMT
Well, Steve/Heather, this is a nice intelligent review of
Mandrake 7.0 you've written. But you posted it under a new
throwaway identity (hepcat_1960) that you started using
3 days ago (in violation of ATT Worldnet's TOS), and you
included a header that prevents it from being saved in
DejaNews (where it has already disappeared). You used the
same no-save header for some, but not all, of the other
articles you've posted under the new ID -- the ones that
are particularly pro-Linux. (The entire Mandrake 7.0
review article, with all headers, is included below; the
no-save header is altered to make sure that *this* article
will remain available in DN.)
So, "Steve", it seems you want to be able to deny that you
wrote this very pro-Linux article, and you want to prevent
people from accessing it in the future, but you are not
trying to prevent people (including your ISP) from accessing
*all* hepcat_1960 posts.
This appears to indicate that you want to keep the option
open to continue your flood of lying, sneering, anti-Linux
propaganda articles under the "Steve/Heather" identity (and
perhaps others).
I would like to suggest an alternative -- that you admit you
posted this review, repost it under your normal ID, without
preventing it from being archived in DejaNews, and start
being the honest, creative, and contributing person that you
have the capability to be. I think most people will forgive
your previous dishonesty if you really put it behind you and
totally stop doing it.
If you decide to do this -- to be *real* -- you'll find that
it's a lot more enjoyable, at a much deeper and more conscious
level, than being an obnoxious lying clown in public. You'll
feel much better about yourself, and you'll be able to be in
touch with other people without being ashamed of your actions.
Apply your intelligence and spirit in positive and helpful
ways, so that you'll be welcome among the creative and
mutually supportive people of the world. Of course, *this*,
hepcat_1960, is what the alternative, consciousness-raising,
partnership culture movement of the 1960's is all about.
Come on, Steve: let yourself be a real human being!
Mark
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>Subject: Mandrake is listening! It's "Da Bomb"!
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>
>I've just installed Mandrake 7.0 and it appears that they are
>listening to the Windows community as to what issues we have with
>Linux and they are addressing them.
>
>So here is a mini-review from a Winvocate's point of view.
>
>Boot the CD and if you can't install this puppy in 30 minutes or less,
>and that's actually reading everything, you should go back to computer
>school :)
>
>Mandrake offers a nice gui install that is pretty much automated but
>allows you complete control over everything. This is in contrast to
>Corel which makes almost every decision for you. Good for newbies
>(generally) but could be a major problem if things go wrong.
>
>One thing I liked was the "just do it" option when setting up file
>systems. For the first time I actually have my file systems laid out
>on different physical/logical partitions correctly on my hard drive.
>Previously I have always had just a / mount point and a swap partition
>only because I didn't really know how to set things up more
>efficiently. Excuse the terminology but you get the point.
>
>I still dual boot (via boot magic) so I appreciated be given the
>option of using the root partition instead of clobbering my mbr.
>
>Ok so now I'm installed, nothing really new here since every other
>distribution installed ok for me on the same system in the past, so
>what's really new here?
>
>EVERYTHING WAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>(Works as designed)
>
>I got fsking sound!!!! My SBlive works right from the get-go!!!!!
>I started kde mixer and didn't get the dreaded mixer not opened
>message. Was I ever surprised:)
>
>This is a biggie for me.
>
>IMWheel is right in there also.
>
>Guess what?
>
>Wine is already setup and configured for the most part!!!!
>
>And yet another surprise, Agent runs just about perfectly under it!!!
>
>wine /mnt/hda5_DOS/agent/agent.exe and I was up and running!!
>
>In fact although I haven't figured out how to auto-launch attachments
>and url's yet, Agent actually runs FASTER under wine than native
>Windows and it has not crashed once in 3 or 4 days of use.
>Previous experience had Agent running but very unstable no matter what
>version of Wine or distribution I used.
>Even under Win98SE the latest version of Agent goes out to lunch every
>now and then although it always recovers if you leave it alone. Hasn't
>done it yet under Wine.
>
>Want more?
>
>How about xfs installed as default. Yep the TrueTypes are coming. I
>just visited Donovan's excellent page and will be "borrowing" my
>Windows fonts. Good bye to ugly Netscape.
>
>How about a ton of nice Themes and the manager installed for kde?
>
>Sure you can grab them off the net, but it's nice to get them in the
>box.
>
>All paths work, unlike RedHat which always seems to screw this up.
>All your drives are already setup with icons on the desktop and are
>auto mounted. Same with CDrom.
>
>Here's a beauty: If you select set up modem during install it sets up
>kppp with your id, password, DNS etc and you are ready to go. Worldnet
>is a bas****d because of CHAP and it worked right from the first click
>for me. No file editing needed.
>
>Tons of programs are in the menu's and THEY ALL WORK when you click on
>them. Every single one.
>
>Update icon right on desktop and it works. Imwheel had a root exploit
>bug and it found it and did all my updating automatically.
>
>I could go on and on but I think you get the point. Mandrake has
>finally convinced me that Linux can provide an easy to use quality
>operating system and for the $6.00 the Magazine with the free CD
>(actually 2 of them as Storm Linux was also included) this has got to
>be the bargain of the century.
>
>Ok so what did I find wrong?
>
>First when you are given the selection of setup modem/networking it is
>an either/or decision box. I would advise setting up the modem here
>and networking later as I did it the other way around the first time
>and I had problems.
>
>SoundBlaster Live sometimes goes silent and I have to start the mixer
>to revive it. Seems to be a known issue. No biggie though, I'm happy
>it even works :)
>
>Canon scanner still no workie. With the amount of scanning I do I can
>boot to Windows.
>
>I'm using an IBM Proprinter x24e and had to select Epson 9 pin to make
>it work. I'm looking to buy an inexpensive PS laser printer soon
>anyway. I gave the Canon BJ4400 to my wife. Damm thing is an ink
>waster extreme anyway.
>
>The latest version of Pan (newsreader) doesn't seem to work too well
>for me. It hangs all the time. I'm happy that Agent works so I'll use
>that until Pan works a little better which shouldn't be too long
>considering how fast it has come along.
>
>Apparently there is some bug in sendmail but I don't use that program
>so it doesn't effect me.
>
>In conclusion, I certainly don't wish to start a distribution war but
>if you are a Winvocate, and have had less than spectacular results
>with other versions of Linux in the past, give Mandrake 7.0 a try and
>see how it works for you. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at
>what a properly set up Linux system can do.
>
>I'm convinced and I am also excited that I can finally stop sending my
>paycheck to Mr. Gates.
>
>TheCat
>
>
>
>"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
>
>
>
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:58:04 +0200
Bart Oldeman wrote:
> On 17 Apr 2000, abraxas wrote:
>
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > dammit yttrx - I thought you hated linux, or at least 'preferred slowaris
> > > and Crapintosh'? :)
> >
> > I dont hate linux, I use it at home and at work in great capacity...:)
> >
> > I like solaris ALOT more, and well...macs have always been close to my heart.
>
> I assume you're talking about its technical merits. I merely dislike
> solaris because of its default setup (of course a friendly sysadmin can
> change that, but you have to depend on this).
>
> e.g.
>
> I log in on a solaris box for the first time and get dumped in csh:
>
> host% ls --color
> ls: illegal option -- -
> usage: ls -1RaAdCxmnlogrtucpFbqisfL [files]
> host% tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
> tar: z: unknown option
> Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile]
> [blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ...
> host% locate file
> locate: Command not found
>
> i press the up arrow to get my last command back:
>
> host% ^[[A
>
> Tab doesn't work either.
>
> Now why does Sun give you such an awful system by default? Or have they
> finally changed that in the newest version?
Couldnt it be that youre just "Linux centric" ? :-)
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:04:50 GMT
Bart Oldeman wrote:
> host% ls --color
> ls: illegal option -- -
> usage: ls -1RaAdCxmnlogrtucpFbqisfL [files]
> host% tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
> tar: z: unknown option
> Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile]
> [blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ...
> host% locate file
> locate: Command not found
Not to nitpick but...
1. the color flag is something that's more of a Linux thing IIRC.
2. the z flag to tar is a gnutar thing. Pure tar doesn't know it.
3. locate is there as fastfind.
Just because the commands aren't identical to your standard Linux install
doesn't mean they're wrong.
> i press the up arrow to get my last command back:
>
> host% ^[[A
Same.. it's not a default in csh on Solaris.
> Tab doesn't work either.
Yeah, but Esc does...
Remember, this is one of the things about Unices that most of us like: The
ability to customize all of this stuff so that we can use the keys we want.
Just because their default doesn't match what you like doesn't mean it's a bad
default.
BTW, personally I hate the color coded ls output.. I like a black background (or
a transparent Eterm) and the dark blue default is hard to read... gee I guess
that default sucks because I don't like it. :)
I prefer to use the -F flag to show a * for an executeable, / for directory,
etc.
P.S. I use both Linux and Solaris every day. I like both of them, but don't
think that either one has a "better" default. I setup my system the way _I_
like it... which is what I like about Unix. I can make both Linux and Solaris
look and feel almost identical.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"Nasdaq crashed this week... guess it must've been running on Windows 2000.
You know Bill Gates lost 12 Billion Doll.. oops, he just made it back."
-- Dennis Miller Live 4/7/2000
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