Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #26 Thu, 20 Apr 00 06:14:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (George Graves)
Re: Another crosses the floor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Andrew M. Kuchling)
Re: Elian (DGITC)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (abraxas)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ("Dan J. Smeski")
Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC (Bill Berry)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000 or server software? (Craig Kelley)
Re: RHCE (Craig Kelley)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Standard desktop... ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: Binary Thinking ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (C Lund)
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From: George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:59:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <gmgravesii-
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, George Graves
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <gmgravesii-
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, George Graves
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <gmgravesii-
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>>>George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> >But all is
>>>>>> >not lost , I think with OS X the Mac will finally crawl
>>> >> >out from under the rock a bit.
>>>
>>>>>> A BIT! It should leave that Windows crap so far back in the
>>>>>>dust, that M$ will be struggling for years playing catch-up
>>>>>>and copying OSX features and look-and-feel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hrmff..
>>>>>
>>>>>"Windows2002" will sport a new and "innovative" GUI that
>>>>>coincidentially resembles the Aqua interface. Underneath
>>>>>this "groundbreaking" new interface, the same old WindowsX
>>>>>will be lurking. The result will be yet another kludgy, ugly
>>>>>OS from Microsoft, and the Wintrolls will be all over
>>>>>CSMA telling us how much better it is than the lousy ol' Mac
>>>>>because it supports the floppy drive or some such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>OS X will probably leave Microsoft in the dust, but don't
>>>>>think for a second the WIntrolls will admit it.
>>>>
>>>>Don't worry, I won't. I have learned that the only thing that
>>>>Apple could ever do to please Wintrolls who post on CSMA is to
>>>>roll over, belly-up and die. With Apple gone, they wouldn't
>>>>have that little nagging voice in their head that keeps
>>>>saying "did I choose the wrong platform?"
>>>
>>>So you think that no other platform would exist without Apple?
>>>How does Apple provide needed sustenance for Sun, SGI or any of
>>>the several OSs that run on Intel HW?
>>
>>Frankly, I laugh when I hear the Mac called a "niche computer".
>
>The Mac is a niche computer.
>The Mac is a niche computer.
>The Mac is a niche computer.
>
>That's three laughs for George! ;)
>
>>SGI, Sun and any of the several OSs that run on Intel HW, now
>>THOSE are "niche computers"
>
>
>But what niches they are!
>
>>with market shares so low, they don't even cause a blip on
>>the radar.
>
>You are not seriously arguing that marketshare determines
>usefulness are you?
>
>>>>Because with no Apple, there would be only ONE platform and
>>>>the Wintrolls could sleep secure in their beds with no nasty
>>>>Apple confusing them with that pesky Macintosh.
>>>
>>>Who's confused by Macintosh, George? I was considering a Sun or
>>>SGI along with the PC when I bought my computer. Apple wasn't
>>>even in the running.
>>
>>Now, those ARE "niche computers."
>
>In some very nice niches!
>But I believe the original point was whether or not alternatives
>to Windows existed apart from Apple's offerings not who's niche
>is nicheier.
>>
>>>And you might have a point about no one knowing that anything
>>>but Windows and Mac existing if it weren't for the fact that
>>you can get Linux at Wal-Mart these days.
>>
>>To run what on? A server? Word Perferct, GIMP? And you talk
>about there being no software or hardware for the Mac?
>
>I don't believe I've ever said either myself. But don't you
>think perhaps your claims about the lack of SW/HW for Linux
>might eerily parallel the same claims WRT the Mac?
NO. When Wintrolls say there is no software for the Mac, they just mean
that there isn't AS MUCH software for the Mac as there is for Windows,
and they are right. However, there IS ENOUGH productivity software
available for the Mac to satisfy MOST users. When I say that there is NO
productivity software available for these alternative OSes, I mean that
there is so little productivity software available for these OSes and
that there are so many huge, gaping holes in those offerings as to make
these alternative OSes next to useless for most computer users.
--
George Graves
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another crosses the floor
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:59:02 -0400
<snip>
>Cybrinjn wrote:
> Your post reminds me of a psych class scenario:
> A group of year-olds (crawlers) are corraled behind various barriers. >The barriers
>separate them from their moms and snacks, etc. The >reactions were different:
<snip>
The original of this thread and yours reminded me of the cattle guards
out west. Cows graze rangelands in the deserts and mountains of Idaho
and are kept in general areas by barbed wire fencing through the
mountains and deserts. Whenever one of the fences comes to a public
road, it ends and the road is crossed by a steel grate that cows refuse
to cross. All they would have to do is walk across the grate to whatever
freedom cows might want. The grates are made so the cows won't get
caught because doing so could break the animal's leg. They could cross
the grate, but are fearful of the "hole" they see in the ground. Once in
a while, one brave critter will dash across and the others will bawl and
bawl at the sight of one of their own gone off to a strange land.
Kind of like the Windoze users when they come on the Linux groups and
rant and rave about the temerity of those who would dare to wander off
to Linuxville.
Terry
--
We don't own this place, though we act as if we did,
It's a loan from the children of our children's kids.
The actual owners haven't even been born yet.
-- The Grateful Dead
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Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M. Kuchling)
Date: 19 Apr 2000 14:01:14 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> Sun has no problem selling solaris without GNU or GNU-like utilities.
> The people that buy solaris generally have different uses in mind than
> people who consistently use linux.
*blink* And buggy tools are appropriate for these uses for Solaris?
So if sed occasionally mangles a file, that's perfectly OK?
> Again, people dont use solaris for the same reasons they use linux.
> Sun has no problems distributing their operating system with a fixed-
> buffered sed.
The bug I described doesn't seem to be present in Solaris 2.7, so it
was reported and someone at Sun fixed it; Sun apparently does have
problems distributing their operating system with a fixed-buffered
sed.
My point is that Sun is presumably paying for an engineer whose duties
include maintaining their version of sed. Other Unix vendors also
have their version of sed, all dating back to some common ancestor.
Is the same bug still sleeping in, say, HP-UX's or AIX's version of
sed? The bug will remain unfixed until an HP-UX or AIX user
encounters the bug, and then HP or IBM will pay to fix it, because Sun
isn't going to inform either company of this bug. (See the "Fuzz
Revisited" report at
ftp://grilled.cs.wisc.edu/technical_papers/fuzz-revisited.pdf for
evidence that bugs are often common across Unix platforms. Note how
often the same tool crashes identically across different Unix
variants, particularly in the 1990 data)
Sun, and other Unix vendors, could avoid having to find and fix such
bugs themselves to some degree if they shipped the GNU tools, because
bugs would sometimes be found by users on other platforms (Linux,
Windows, wherever), and newer versions would include these bugfixes
for free; Sun would have to expend no engineer time in finding the bug
or in fixing. The downside is that they'd occasionally get new bugs
for free in new releases of the GNU tools, but I expect the balance
would lean far in the other direction.
>And as you saw for yourself, you can fix it if you like.
And why I am paying for a Solaris distribution if I need to install
external tools to fix bugs in the included software?
--
A.M. Kuchling http://starship.python.net/crew/amk/
Python is an experiment in how much freedom programmers need. Too much freedom
and nobody can read another's code; too little and expressiveness is
endangered.
-- Guido van Rossum, 13 Aug 1996
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From: DGITC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.activism,alt.politics.communism,rec.games.video.misc,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: Elian
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400
In article <8djqud$l9a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> DGITC wrought:
>
> >Today I heard from a friend, who has a cousin who works for Microsoft,
> >that Microsoft is going to give Elian Gonzalez a free X-Box plus three
> >games of his choice, but only if Elian says that he'll stay in the US.
> >
> >Am I the only one who sees anything wrong with Microsoft doing this to
> >him? This is nothing other than bribery, and will only make Elian into
> >a passive, apathetic vegetable; dependant on television. He'll also be
> >taught that happiness can only be attained by material possessions and
> >not from a strong bond between father and son.
> >
> >Is it truly impossible for someone to be happy under communism. Are we
> >so caught up in a system of greed that we think it is ok to separate a
> >boy from his father, because his father lives a simple life, and can't
> >provide his son with a lot of expensive clothes and toys? Does a child
> >really need anything more to be happy than food, clothes, shelter, and
> >the love of his parents? Send Elian Gonzales back to Cuba today.
>
> But only if Castro "embraces and extends" Linux.
>
That's not much of a problem, since the majority of Linux users are
already Communist.
--
DGITC
Delete the NOSPAM to send a reply by email.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Date: 19 Apr 2000 18:43:17 GMT
Andrew M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
>> Sun has no problem selling solaris without GNU or GNU-like utilities.
>> The people that buy solaris generally have different uses in mind than
>> people who consistently use linux.
> *blink* And buggy tools are appropriate for these uses for Solaris?
> So if sed occasionally mangles a file, that's perfectly OK?
Buggy bits are part of all operating systems. Sun fixed Sed, and if you
wanted to fix it yourself at any time along the line, you could have
very, very easily.
>> Again, people dont use solaris for the same reasons they use linux.
>> Sun has no problems distributing their operating system with a fixed-
>> buffered sed.
> The bug I described doesn't seem to be present in Solaris 2.7, so it
> was reported and someone at Sun fixed it; Sun apparently does have
> problems distributing their operating system with a fixed-buffered
> sed.
And Linus seems to have a problem distributing his kernel with non-brain-
dead scheduling. Bill has a problem distributing windows as something
other than an enormous, bloated piece of unnessesary shit, Apple has
a problem shipping theirs with a multitasking scheme that doesnt suck
and our friends at Be cant seem to get their families to talk to
eachother.
Everything has its flaws.
> My point is that Sun is presumably paying for an engineer whose duties
> include maintaining their version of sed. Other Unix vendors also
> have their version of sed, all dating back to some common ancestor.
> Is the same bug still sleeping in, say, HP-UX's or AIX's version of
> sed?
No, at least not in the past two years. This is confirmable.
> The bug will remain unfixed until an HP-UX or AIX user
> encounters the bug, and then HP or IBM will pay to fix it,
Or until the user fixes it themselves by installing someone elses
sed. But again, it isnt a problem with both AIX and HP/UX.
> because Sun
> isn't going to inform either company of this bug. (See the "Fuzz
> Revisited" report at
> ftp://grilled.cs.wisc.edu/technical_papers/fuzz-revisited.pdf for
> evidence that bugs are often common across Unix platforms. Note how
> often the same tool crashes identically across different Unix
> variants, particularly in the 1990 data)
That was 10 years ago. Unix was a very, very different beast then.
> Sun, and other Unix vendors, could avoid having to find and fix such
> bugs themselves to some degree if they shipped the GNU tools,
You've nessesitated a new term:
Gnuvocate: Like like winvocates and linvocates, only even more
unlikely to consider alternatives to their opinions.
> because
> bugs would sometimes be found by users on other platforms (Linux,
> Windows, wherever), and newer versions would include these bugfixes
> for free; Sun would have to expend no engineer time in finding the bug
> or in fixing. The downside is that they'd occasionally get new bugs
> for free in new releases of the GNU tools, but I expect the balance
> would lean far in the other direction.
If you want GNU tools under solaris, install them. It isnt terribly
difficult.
In fact, I (about ten minutes ago) just completed three huge tarballs
(2.5.1., 2.6, 8) of utilities and programs that every Sun box (that
isnt running trusted solaris) will be using apon installation. Included
are gcc, gmake, gtar, ssh (1.2.7), TCL, TK, perl, python and bash.
Theres alot more than that too.
>>And as you saw for yourself, you can fix it if you like.
> And why I am paying for a Solaris distribution if I need to install
> external tools to fix bugs in the included software?
If you have to ask, you shouldnt be using solaris in the first place.
I use solaris in a professional capacity because the software that I
use to manage satellite downlinks, monitor dozens of protocols across
multiple networks and manage physical security systems runs only on
sparc solaris. And arguably rightfully so.
And if you have to ask what the argument is, theres yet another reason
that you should probably be avoiding solaris to begin with. :)
All unices are not created equal; all of them are excellent in some
capacities and awful in others. The point of the whole thing is to
understand exactly which capacities are nessesary and then match the
operating system to them. I chose solaris for very particular jobs,
linux for less particular jobs, MacOS for graphcis manipulation and
windows for games.
=====yttrx
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From: "Dan J. Smeski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:47:38 -0500
Your hardware is shit, that's why it crashed. I bet Linux would crash the
same way.
CG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> We installed a new network printer yesterday. Guess how many times my
> "user friendly" windows 98 machine crashed in the process of
> installing the new printer driver.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Berry)
Subject: Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:38:46 GMT
http://www.thelinuxstore.com/perl-bin/details.pl?id=878
In article <8danmq$2sur$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
wrote:
>JOGIBA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This company is dead meat not only because it is the biggest loser ($320
>> down to $28) on the stock market but it is trying to sell a plain old 733Mhz
>> PC for $2699 !You can go to Dell,Gateway,IBM,Compaq,HP
>
>And get exactly what you pay for;
>
>With VA-linux I get space for 2gigs or ram on that machine, heavier duty power
>supply and cooling fans, a rackmount kit, hotswap bays, etc.
>
>The comparable compaq carries a similar price.
>
>
>
>
>-----yttrx
>
>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:16:46 -0600
Gary Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Craig Kelley at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 4/18/00 12:23 PM:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Connors) writes:
> >
> >> Hypothetically speaking, when was the last time you or anyone you
> >> personally know looked at the Linux Source?
> >
> > I did last week.
> >
> > I wanted to figure out why I couldn't have more than 8 SCSI CD-ROM
> > drives attached to the system.
> >
> > Regards.
>
> There are several Posibilities
> 1) You develop Linux
> 2) You are lieing
> 3) You are dillusional
>
> I have no reason to beleive 1 or 2
The real reason is the MAX_SCSI_DEVICE_CODE constant in scsi.h, but
thanks for the insult.
People read the source code for Linux. There are several books which
will hold your hand through every sing line of it. There are dozens
of niche groups which have custom Linux kernel code; some of it even
makes it back into the main tree.
Denying any of this is "dillusional".
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:18:30 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (News-Only) writes:
> In article <8didpj$knm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote...
>
> > I'm sure every line of NT has been audited, by Microsoft that is.
>
> Don't you mean VMS?
>
> Incidentally, years ago when MS had to hand over the source code to
> Windows 3.x to IBM for inclusion in OS/2, some IBM employees took great
> delight in sifting out ome of the worst and most obvious programming
> howlers. Spaghetti GOTOs and illegible variable names did abound, as did
> some muddle-headed attempts to defeat the smooth operation of other
> operating systems running cloned DOS sessions. There were also some API
> calls that were different from each other only by the number of
> milliseconds delay placed between (say) screen writes.
It's a good thing that Digital engineers wrote NT then.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:27:32 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> abraxas wrote:
>
>>> By the same token, why change the default because *you* are
>>> unhappy with it? The nice thing about this issue is that you can
>>> make solaris do whatever you want. If you dont like the way it
>>> works, change the way it works.
>
>> Exactly! Thank you.
>
>> BTW, as a test I fired up linuxconf on the home box and started to
>> create a new user... default shell: /bin/bash!
>
> I still wish that linuxconf included the simplicity and *stability*
> of admintool though...:)
I wish it worked more than half the time.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000 or server software?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:32:31 -0600
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > /me
> wonders....
> > > > Rob (happily using *backdoor free* software).
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Have you personally auditted every single line of code running on your
> > > computer to ascertain this ?
> >
> > Common sense says that each and every individual does not have to
> > verify every line of code.
>
> Common sense also questions why everyone should trust this tiny minority of
> people that are actually "reviewing" the source code.
As opposed to the even-more-tiny-minority that has access to the
Windows NT source tree?
Give it a rest, Christopher.
Linux isn't perfect, and neither is Windows NT.
Only Macs are perfect (just ask any Mac advocate, they'll tell you). :)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: RHCE
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 13:33:30 -0600
Mohamed Sentissi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
If you have a BS in CS, then you probably dont' need to waste your
time with silly certifications.
> I was just wondering if a BS student in computer science -me-, who is very
> intersted in linux -Redhat in particular- could take this exam, I have
> experience just from my curosity and my 3 computers home network. I never
> really worked as a system administrator for a large network .
> What could a RHCE advice me with??? take a shot to the exam or spend the
> money in the BARS. :)
> I am preparing for it for the moment but is it really worth it right
> now????
>
> Thanks
>
> Shalom
>
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If anyone is looking for an sample test for the RHCE exam that they can
> > actually use, try looking at:
> >
> > http://www.rhce2b.com
> >
> > I built a sample test using basic html forms and a couple of perl
> > scripts. Feel free to add test questions (but don't add any questions
> > that are copywrighted by anyone else.)
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Frank Pittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy TARogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > : On 11 Mar 2000 16:28:08 GMT, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > : scribbled something about Re: RHCE:
> > > :>In comp.os.linux.advocacy S. Christopher Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > : I bought the Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide, by
> > Syngress
> > > : Media, Inc., distributed by Osbourne/McGraw Hill. The first thing I
> > > : tried to do was take the practice exam to find my strengths and
> > > : weaknesses. Unfortunately, the test, though written in HTML, was
> > written
> > > : to by used by Internet Explorer.
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
> >
>
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Reply-To: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 22:05:16 +0100
George Graves wrote:
>>
>>What do you run on your Mac, George? I keep hearing from certain
>>quarters that there's no software for it! :)
>
>I run PageMaker - No Linux, or Be equivalent
>I run QuarkXpress - No Linux, or Be equivalent
>I run FrameMaker - No Linux, or Be equivalent
>I run Adobe Illustrator - No Linux, or Be equivalent
>I run Photoshop - Well, there's GIMP, but that's NO photoshop.
>
Now there's also Photogenics. More oriented towards drawing than GIMP,
they should complement each other nicely.
>I run ViaVoice - No Linux, or Be equivalent
>I run Freehand - No Linux, or Be equivalent
>
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] � http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ � [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Reply-To: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2000 22:08:35 +0100
George Graves wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>George Graves wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>wrote:
>>>>A common misconception. PC owners are becoming increasingly aware that
>>>>there are alternatives to MS based products, thus there are far for
>>>>than
>>>>"one" platform available.
>>>With what, pray tell, to run on them?
>>It's called "software" I think.
>
>There just isn't enough of it for most people to get any work done.
>
That depends on what you do, of course. If you are a writer for example,
there are more than adequate tools.
But, to be a viable platform for most people, yes, more "power" tools
need to be ported.
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] � http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ � [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
Smith: Lieutenant, in the next 15 minutes we have to create enough
confusion to get out of here alive.
Schaffer: Major, right now you got me about as confused as I ever hope to be.
/Where Eagles Dare
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Standard desktop...
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:58:42 +0200
so, how is this a property of open source? try using your KDE settings on
anything that is not KDE.
what is your point?
> Try to run the MS desktop on anything else but MS product.
>
>
> In article <8dkfrr$4ja$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > how does this show something about open-source, since it is possible
> > with close soure solutions, too. i don't follow your logic...
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > but, I hate CDE. Well, I installed KDE on the Sun and (Drum roll,
> > > please) ta'da, I have MY standard desktop across the two different
> > > platforms. The home directories are the same (mounted NFS) so all
> the
> > > desktop configurations follow me. I know many people do not like KDE
> > or
> > > GUI's but, I think this shows how the Open-Source model can be a
> > > powerful, unifying force in the computer industry.
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Binary Thinking
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:59:43 +0200
pick an animal of a size similar to humans. :)
Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Pedro Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : All right, even more, when we talk about OS, let's talk about it,
> : not about how many applications there are around. Then it comes
> : clear that Linux is better for everything :-))
>
> There are far more insects than humans, so insects must be better,
> huh? :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:51:36 +0100
In article <oNYK4.2441$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shock Boy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hell, most users probably do not even know they can change the memory
> allocation, or even what memory allocation *IS*!
Most users don't need it.
--
C Lund
http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
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