Linux-Advocacy Digest #324, Volume #26 Mon, 1 May 00 12:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Are we equal? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Advocay off the Net. (Andres Soolo)
Re: Are we equal? ("Edward L. Sandwicheater")
Re: Advocay off the Net. ("Mark Weaver")
PPP autodial on internet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Are we equal? (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft ("Paul 'Z' Ewande�")
Re: Are we equal? (GoD)
MS App. Spin-Off Company Logo Revealed? (Rob Clark)
Re: Advocay off the Net. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux from a Windows perspective (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000 (JEDIDIAH)
Re: A split? (2:1)
Re: Who to blame next... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Who to blame next... (Leslie Mikesell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:20:03 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when unicat would say:
>Then there is Elian Gonzales, an innocent little boy, whose only crime
>is being born hispanic, and he is considered so dangerous that he must
>be arrested by heavily armed members of Reno's Sturmgewehr.
His "crime" is that a community around him claimed that they would rather
die than relinquish the illegal kidnapping of the child.
Of course, facts are quite irrelevant to your hyperbolae...
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If you're sending someone some Styrofoam, what do you pack it in?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advocay off the Net.
Date: 1 May 2000 13:39:11 GMT
Ali Hamisheh-Bahar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had CNN on this morning (I apologize in advance ;-), and noticed
> that some calls/emails were taken in response to the news of M$'s
> proposed breakup. Almost all were disapproving because they felt that
> M$ is innovating and they could not understand what they'd gain with a
> breakup.
Maybe because they were paid by MS? CNN is important enough for MS
to take such effort. They have done such things before with newspapers.
> Most end-users have not experienced anything but M$. If you've never
> experienced power, you don't know what you're missing. To that end, we
That's right.
> should call the call-in programs, and write to regular
> newspapers. It's _public_ opinion that matters now ... and they're not
> on this NG.
Well, I'd suggest we create a website to cast light to the whole matter.
There are huge numbers of sites that deal with FUD or with specific pieces
of it; many sites tell about vapourware; then there are sites on MS, but
there aren't (at least AFAIK) any sites that descrbe it as whole and
in the context of Microsoft. Once we'll have it, such letters
should only point to that site (or these sites).
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you don't do the things that are not worth doing, who will?
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From: "Edward L. Sandwicheater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:50:56 GMT
unicat wrote:
>
> Some people have noted a gross disparity in the treatment of
> individuals by the Justice Department.
>
> As an example, Mr. Bill Gates, who has already been found guilty
> of crimes which have caused billions of dollars in damage to his
> competitors, and is now merely awaiting sentencing, is allowed to
> come and go at his leisure in chauffered limousines.
>
Not only has bill gates not been found guilty, he has not even been
charged with anything. Microsoft, the corporation, has been found
guilty.
> Then there is Elian Gonzales, an innocent little boy, whose only crime
> is being born hispanic, and he is considered so dangerous that he must
> be
> arrested by heavily armed members of Reno's Sturmgewehr.
>
God, what bullshit. The child was rescued from a dangerous situation by
the brave and well behaved federal officers. He was taken out of the
hands of drunken anti castro fanatics and delivered in to the hands of
his loving father. This was the legally and morally correct thing to do.
> Is this justice? Is there any hope of equak treatment under the law.
> If there were, then this is what we would see next -
>
Yes, equal treatment under the law happens all the time.
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From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advocay off the Net.
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:53:58 GMT
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ek1dv$9r3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ali Hamisheh-Bahar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I had CNN on this morning (I apologize in advance ;-), and noticed
> > that some calls/emails were taken in response to the news of M$'s
> > proposed breakup. Almost all were disapproving because they felt that
> > M$ is innovating and they could not understand what they'd gain with a
> > breakup.
> Maybe because they were paid by MS? CNN is important enough for MS
> to take such effort. They have done such things before with newspapers.
>
Or maybe it just reflects public opinion generally (polls show a majority of
Americans opposed to breaking up MS).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PPP autodial on internet
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:47:36 GMT
Hi,
I have just prepared the internet connection for my linux machine with
a modem,dynamic IP and PPP protocol, and it work well.
Is it possible now to connect automatically on internet from my lan?
For Example:
On my Win95 host I come on internet with my linux PC.
Tanks Flavio
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:04:27 GMT
[Followups directed OUT of the linux and windoze groups]
On Mon, 01 May 2000 08:44:36 -0400, unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Then there is Elian Gonzales, an innocent little boy, whose only crime
: is being born hispanic, and he is considered so dangerous that he must
: be
: arrested by heavily armed members of Reno's Sturmgewehr.
:
: Is this justice? Is there any hope of equak treatment under the law.
: If there were, then this is what we would see next -
You're correct, Elian Gonzales committed no crime. His family that live
in Miami did. They kidnapped the boy.
Kidnap? Let's see, holding the boy, and refusing to release him to his
father, who is the only surviving parent. Yep, sounds like a clear-cut
case of kidnapping to me. The "heavily armed" guys were there to extract
a hostage (Elian) from the hostage takers (his Miami relatives).
I for one was extremely happy to see the picture of Elian and his Dad
having fun together on the front page on Easter Sunday, particularly after
showing the child being extracted (by the guy with the MP5) the day
before. See? The kid loves his Dad.
Lots of people are saying that Cuba isn't a good place for a child to grow
up. Maybe we should invade Cuba, and bring all of the children here,
since the US is where children belong, right? Hey, while we're at it,
let's grab all the kids from Central and South America too. Why stop there?
Let's go to Africa and Asia too.
Give it a rest. The kid belongs with his father.
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
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From: "Paul 'Z' Ewande�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:22 +0200
Nathan S. Grey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
<SNIP> Some stuff <./SNIP>
> low price and usability? Windows flunks both of those criteria
> I rate MacOS the most usability (argue all you want, but remember, there
are
> people who buy macs because the mouse only has one button)
Different strokes for different people. I rate Win98SE _for my purposes_
higher than MacOS.
But I don't have the delusion that my opinion/experience is universal.
> and Linux cost a heckuvalot less than Win98se
Sure, but does not yet allow me to do all my stuff, neither support all my
hardware.
> Windows is about mediocrity, it's not particularly easy to use, it's not
free,
It's easy enough for me and does what is was designed to do IME/IMO quite
well.
> it's not of any decent level of quality. It's just been hyped and
marketed, the
Says you. AFAICT, you're not the god of computing whose word is law.
> american equivilent of shoving it down people's throats. OEMs were
threatened
> if they offered a system without windows preinstalled that cost less than
the
> same machine without windows. Windows "good enough" hardley, i prefer to
USE my
> computer, not babysit it for the 25th crash that day. Would you consider a
Apparently, Windows dislikes you as much as you dislike it. :)
Just for my information, has it ever occured to you that your experiences
are not necessarily shared by others ?
> hammer that broke everytime you hit a nail with it to be "good enough"?
Poor
> quality is poor quality, the only thing M$ can do is market (ie. lie to
And the code never matters, right ?
> consumers). There are lemon laws that, if I bought a car that broke down
as
> often as windows crashes, I could get my money back.
A car is not a computer, a computer is much more versatile and complex.
> Besides, the average american consumer is a sheep, he/she buy what
everyone
> else is buying, pathetic but true.
There are a few advantages to buy what everyone else is buying you know ?
Being a "rebel", just for rebellion's sake can only get you so far.
> -NateGrey
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: GoD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: 1 May 2000 09:25:12 -0500
Elian was rescued from crazed anti casto fanatics.
These fanatics do not consider the life of a young boy important if he can be
used as a political propaganda tool.
The officials were heavily armed because they really did not know what to expect
once they entered the house. The hooded driver feared for his safety and
livelihood if he was identified. Such is the strength of the Cuban community in
Miami.
This is the truth.
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Subject: MS App. Spin-Off Company Logo Revealed?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:42:51 GMT
While publicly denying any plans to split the corporation, Microsoft
quietly has begun the application process for a new ticker symbol on
NASDAQ for a new non-OS company, Coruscant Technologies [CRSH]
http://www.grapevine.net/~gromitkc/coruscant.png
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Advocay off the Net.
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:08:35 GMT
On Mon, 01 May 2000 13:53:58 GMT, Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8ek1dv$9r3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ali Hamisheh-Bahar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > I had CNN on this morning (I apologize in advance ;-), and noticed
>> > that some calls/emails were taken in response to the news of M$'s
>> > proposed breakup. Almost all were disapproving because they felt that
>> > M$ is innovating and they could not understand what they'd gain with a
>> > breakup.
>> Maybe because they were paid by MS? CNN is important enough for MS
>> to take such effort. They have done such things before with newspapers.
>>
>
>Or maybe it just reflects public opinion generally (polls show a majority of
>Americans opposed to breaking up MS).
...keeping in mind that the majority of Americans still aren't
computer literacy, probably don't even have a computer and are
even less likely to be on the net.
They're only knowledge of the situation is the 'hype' they've heard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:09:46 GMT
On Mon, 01 May 2000 08:44:36 -0400, unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Some people have noted a gross disparity in the treatment of
>individuals by the Justice Department.
>
>As an example, Mr. Bill Gates, who has already been found guilty
>of crimes which have caused billions of dollars in damage to his
>competitors, and is now merely awaiting sentencing, is allowed to
>come and go at his leisure in chauffered limousines.
>
>Then there is Elian Gonzales, an innocent little boy, whose only crime
>is being born hispanic, and he is considered so dangerous that he must
>be
>arrested by heavily armed members of Reno's Sturmgewehr.
>
>Is this justice? Is there any hope of equak treatment under the law.
>If there were, then this is what we would see next -
Nah, Janet just likes to wave around her big gun...
[deletia]
Geez. Don't agents like Mulder and Scully arrest people anymore?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:12:10 GMT
On Mon, 01 May 2000 13:20:03 GMT, Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when unicat would say:
>>Then there is Elian Gonzales, an innocent little boy, whose only crime
>>is being born hispanic, and he is considered so dangerous that he must
>>be arrested by heavily armed members of Reno's Sturmgewehr.
>
>His "crime" is that a community around him claimed that they would rather
>die than relinquish the illegal kidnapping of the child.
Yup, that was certainly supported by the footage of the raid...
>
>Of course, facts are quite irrelevant to your hyperbolae...
[deletia]
The fact still remains that the FBI was overhanded again in a
situation where minimizing collateral damage should have been
the overriding consideration.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:13:35 GMT
On 1 May 2000 09:25:12 -0500, GoD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Elian was rescued from crazed anti casto fanatics.
>These fanatics do not consider the life of a young boy important if he can be
>used as a political propaganda tool.
>
>The officials were heavily armed because they really did not know what to expect
>once they entered the house. The hooded driver feared for his safety and
>livelihood if he was identified. Such is the strength of the Cuban community in
>Miami.
>This is the truth.
Yeah, cops are really cowards and bullies not much different from
the urban street roaming hoods they are supposedly meant to be a
counter to.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:15:03 GMT
On Mon, 01 May 2000 10:10:55 GMT, Danny C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:46:42 GMT, JEDIDIAH spewed:
>>On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:40:04 CEST, Pim van Riezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[snipped]
>
>>>Easier to use, easier to diagnose when something actually _goes_ wrong and
>>>sure as hell both less ugly to look at.
>>
>> How is this easier to use than something that displays all information
>> where it is clearly visible? The only real difference is that it might
>> be a little prettier than what Redhat or Caldera does.
>
>The poin is that the end-user specified (ie, a person with little experience
>with Linux or computers in general) shouldn't have to see the kernel messages
>unless something goes wrong. If everything is peachy, then he doesn't have to
You don't know when something is going to go wrong. That's rather
the point. Software engineering isn't a discipline of clairvoyance
just quite yet.
>see it, if not, then he has the debug info right in front of him, ready for a
>tech support call or what have you.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:13 GMT
On Mon, 01 May 2000 12:41:25 GMT, Full Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 01 May 2000 10:27:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Full Name) wrote:
>
>>
>>If Linux arrived with none of the above all but the experts would be
>>able set up and configure the system.
>>
>
>The above should read "unable" instead of "able".
...oh what pathetic defamation.
Most of that stuff is installable in the same fashion similar
packages are under Windows. Either they have a shiny happy
installer or there are package wizards to help you through the
process.
Nevermind the fact that you are infact likely to have all of that
prebundled in order to make things easy.
Furthermore, the notion that you could use the local guru as a crutch
is hardly a rallying cry for Windows. In great likelyhood, that guru
is infact a Linux user or at least competent enough to install a Linux
distro.
The 'expertise' needed to deal with a Linux install is a little problem
solving ability and some familiarity with the PC Cruft architecture.
What to do when Win98 botches a NIC installation is not fundementally
different than what to do when Linux doesn't quite know what to do with
that hardware either.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:23:26 GMT
On Mon, 01 May 2000 06:21:54 -0600, Nathan S. Grey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>btolder wrote:
>
>> "JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> > That's not quite the same thing. Adding a 3D API or a TCP stack
>> > is a far different matter. These are shared facilities that don't
>> > tend to eliminate the need for 3rd party application products.
>> > They also tend to conform to a less disputed definition of Operating
>> > System.
>>
>> HTML controls are shared components too. Everyone platform has or is adding
>> them, just as every platform is busy improving internet integration.
>>
>> > Thus the differnce between when Microsoft 'assimilated' Stacker
>> > technology versus when they 'assimilated' Netscape technology.
>>
>> Netscape technology? Don't you mean Internet technology? Is nobody allowed
>> to implement Internet on Win32 except Netscape?
What this confused fellow is searching for is "Trumpet Technology".
I had fond memories of Trumpet. I certainly wasn't going to wait for
M$ to get me on the net. Unfortunately, the Win95 upgrade trashed
Trumpet's version of winsock.dll.
>
>Considering that the founders of Netscape were the people who created the
>first graphical w3 browser, Netscape technology would be an accurate
>decription. And for your information, there was an internet before there was
>the world wide web, the two are not the same thing. And just in case you also
>believe that Al Gore invented the internet, B/S, the guy is a technologically
>incompetent luser. The internet predates his political career.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Linux from a Windows perspective
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:24:27 GMT
On 30 Apr 2000 23:54:03 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
>><8edjsj$god$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>KDE is a large system. If you have enough RAM, CPU speed, and an
>>>efficient video card you may like it. Otherwise you might want
>>>a minimalist window manager like blackbox. One choice you have
>>>with X that you don't with MS Windows is to run the program on
>>>one box and the display on another to take advantage of both
>>>machine's equipment.
>>
>>KDE gets to be close to what Windows offers but it needs a bigger system to
>>run it, that's my whole point which others appear to be missing.
>
>It works about the same for me as Win98 on a P133 with 32 Megs. Neither
>one is spectacular, but X seems to work well on the Matrox card.
>
>>As for X being able to run on other machines, that's not terrible useful
>>when you have a network of just one machine (or the other more powerful
>>machine is running Windows 98 SE!).
>
>Some people with old junk have lots of old junk...
That also seems to be my experience. One of the local LUG users
had a pile of 486's that he turned into a Beowulf cluster...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:26:41 GMT
On Mon, 1 May 2000 01:00:13 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As of yet, this is painfully true indeed.
>> Thread support in Linux has been just fine for 6 months or so,
>> though. The biggest problems lie in speed and user-friendliness.
>> These two problems have, however, recently been addressed with
>> the advent of XFree86 4.0, which is still not to be considered
>> stable enough for distributing.
>> I heard, though not experienced, that the adding of
>> (Truetype-)fonts is much easier than before.
>> Also, the X-system (finally) gets a hook into the kernel (DRI),
>> which improves speed -dramatically-. This would finally make
>> high-bandwidth DV a possibility, as well as high-performance
>> gaming.
>
>Now if anti-aliasing support gets done I'll be very happy.
>Even with TrueType fonts, without anti-aliasing, fonts look jagged.
>
>I know I'm being picky on this, but it would make Linux+X look much more
>professional,
>especially when viewing a presentation were the first slide usually contains
>a large font and a picture.
>Everyone notices I'm sure, if not understanding why it looks bad.
a) You can get similar results with Type 1 fonts.
b) You can make TT fonts jaggy as hell depending on what
particular transform is onscreen at that particular
moment (even under Win32).
>
>I can wait it XFree86 4.0 matures. I agree it will be killer.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A split?
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:27:52 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> : I think they should not be allowed to develop on any system which is not
> : ANSI regulated for starters.
>
> AFAIK, the stock Windows API is pure ANSI C.
>
> ...doesn't help much, huh?
It's not --- the stdio functions don't work under native windows. There
are several things that allow them to work (such as Borland's quick win
and programs that run from the dos prompt). I'm regurgitating something
I have been told, because I'm not (thankfully) a windows programming
expert.
> : Make them do it in C or C++
>
> Most all of it is...
Make 'em write the whole OS in VB. Or get them to invent VisualForth++
and make them write it in that.
>
> : or Fortran or Cobol so it can be ported to another system so we can have
> : COMPETITIVE BIDDING for the sale of OS products to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!
>
> Huh?
Also Huh?
> : Force the bastards to take VB across several platforms including Linux.
>
> Please, no. The last thing anyone needs is VB to be any more wide
> spread then it already is...
I agree. I don't use BASIC. It's for beginners (as the acronym suggests)
and isn't even really good for that. I can't see why a linux user woul;d
want VB, especially as there are better alternatives, such as Python,
machine code, etc...
-Ed
>
> --
> -Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
> BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
> Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
> medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
> more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Who to blame next...
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:28:15 GMT
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:12:44 -0600, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Let's say that a year from now MS has been broken up, and Linux is still a
>standardless hodge-podge of sundry apps and distributions with
>marginal driver and application support. Without the evil empire (Microsoft)
>to blame for Linux's lack of appeal on the Desktop, who or what
>will be blamed next? I'll be curious to see how it all unfolds....
Between the likes of SGI, IBM, Creative Labs, Aureal, 3Dfx, Matrox,
ATI, Nvidia, Loki, Corel and Id such trash talk is just that: trash
talk.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Who to blame next...
Date: 1 May 2000 10:27:27 -0500
In article <Du8P4.3672$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Let's say that a year from now MS has been broken up, and Linux is still a
>standardless hodge-podge of sundry apps and distributions with
>marginal driver and application support. Without the evil empire (Microsoft)
>to blame for Linux's lack of appeal on the Desktop, who or what
>will be blamed next? I'll be curious to see how it all unfolds....
I think you have confused standards with a lack of choice. Real
standards are not imposed by a single vendor.
Les Mikesell
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